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Old 08-03-2017, 07:23 AM   #1
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States that weigh "payload"?

I'm wondering if there is a list of states that weigh vehicles off the yellow sticker payload? I'm well aware that states weigh commercial vehicles, all that I know of weigh said vehicles off from GAWR's, and or the lesser plate if registered less than scaled weight. There was recently a post on this forum that asserted that the DOT in some states will cite you if you are over ANY stickered number. I would like to know what states these are?
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Old 08-03-2017, 07:54 AM   #2
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In all my 25 years of driving commercially, I have never seen, nor heard of law enforcement bothering a single RV owner. FWIW, out on the streets California was always said to have the most over zealous vehicle enforcement, with Conneticut a close second.
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Old 08-03-2017, 08:15 AM   #3
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In Oregon the state police does, I did. Even most dept.s that have traffic units can and are trained how to spot and weight vehicles. Do they? I know some do not care until they investigate a crash. Others try to be more proactive. But, we had a yearly number of vehicles all patrol had to check. That number included all trucks, comm or not, pickups with rvs or work trailer, Dec is when the guys get pushed to catch up there numbers. Up until the 1990s we put up road checks during the fall hunting season and mainly were there to check game but, overloaded vehicles was another.
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Old 08-03-2017, 08:51 AM   #4
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Texas will if the officer has reason to believe you are over weight or have other safety violations... Get stopped for a traffic violation and get checked for license class, weight and safety... For instance any officer with 1/2 a brain knows an F250 ain't legal carrying a 13K plus trailer...

I suspect most if not all states have the laws on the books, enforcement is the choice of the officer or their superiors...
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:48 AM   #5
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I'm not as worried about the law.....as I am the "lawyers". A civil suit against me for knowingly towing overloaded, if I was involved in a serious accident or a fatality accident, worries me a lot more. Fortunately, with my present TV/trailer combo, I don't have to worry about it.
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:14 AM   #6
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I have read a ton of threads about this kinda stuff on the Glamis Dunes (SoCal) discussion groups. The conventional wisdom there is that the main thing LEO's care about is being over axle and tire ratings (GAWR), not payload or gross combined. I don't go to Glamis personally, but it sounds like that area is pretty aggressively patrolled, and I didn't find a single account of anyone being cited for GVWR/GCWR.
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:19 AM   #7
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I have read a ton of threads about this kinda stuff on the Glamis Dunes (SoCal) discussion groups. The conventional wisdom there is that the main thing LEO's care about is being over axle and tire ratings (GAWR), not payload or gross combined. I don't go to Glamis personally, but it sounds like that area is pretty aggressively patrolled, and I didn't find a single account of anyone being cited for GVWR/GCWR.
Yes. In California, generally the enforcement for non-commercial would focus on axle and/or tire ratings, but it doesn't mean if a setup is grossly overloaded, they won't use GVWR/GCWR. For commercial, it can be anything.
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Old 08-03-2017, 11:26 AM   #8
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most states allow you to abide by the law of the state your drivers license is issued. if your not being paid to pull your trailer, then your not commercial and do not have to follow any of the commercial rules. With a basic drivers license (class D in KY) I am allowed to haul 80,000 lbs and be 65' long and haul double trailers. I am not sure if they even care about what I am hauling with either.... On the other hand when I am driving my 3500 ram service truck (commercial work truck), they will nail me to the cross for having a 1000 pound trailer behind me even though I have a log book filled out and a medical card.
Basically, if your not making money, that wont screw with you.
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:25 PM   #9
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Pismo beach is a popular place for getting your axle weighed. BIL has witnessed CHP impounding trailer for being over.
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:57 PM   #10
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Probably 15 years ago a co-worker was on vacation in California pulling a heavy 5th wheel with a Dodge 2500. Highway patrol pulled him over and weighed him. They let him go but told him if he had been a "local" they would have him unhitch and come back for the 5th with a suitable truck.
I have read on a local fishing forum that Texas highway patrol has pulled heavy 5th's over but I haven't heard or seen it first hand.
I've seen more than a few that needed to be pulled over.
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:33 PM   #11
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Yep, to many lawyers advertising on the internet that if you been a accident with RV contact us. Now I have seen two bill boards that said "If you have been in accident with commercial vehicle or RV contact" some lawyers name. Get caught over weight would be inconvenience but a civil lawsuit could be life changing.

Just a note the setup in my signature is no longer current since I was over weight. I recently purchase a diesel pusher Class A with 5740 pound cargo capacity with 10,000 towing capacity.
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:41 PM   #12
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Some people want see the law that says a personnel truck can't be over GVWR and that it is illegal. For civil court atleast it dosen't have to be illegal to become a factor in the case. The jury I sat on 40 percent of the cause of the accident was the truck was lifted and had oversized tires on it (over all he was found 80 percent his fault). We the jury determined that was part of cause since is raining and the larger tires increase stopping distance and was confirmed by a expert witness. I ask a retired judge about if legal to go over GVWR and he said there is state and federal law that you must operate a vehicle on public streets within manufacture specs.
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Old 08-03-2017, 03:34 PM   #13
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I know they enforce it in NM. I don't know what criteria they use but I did watch a trooper carry a portable scale around a 5th wheel and truck weighing it. When I came back by out of curiosity the trailer was there and the towing truck wasn't. This was outside of Loco Hills NM if I recall.
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Old 08-03-2017, 05:12 PM   #14
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Here in SC you pay for what you haul - so to speak. My dully has a GCWR of 23,500# when equipped with a 4.10. The SC DOT patrol cars all carry single wheel position scales. Should I be stopped and checked for total weight and found to be over the GCWR listed on my vehicle registration my day would end and I might get a stiff fine.
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:00 PM   #15
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I have not been stopped for weight, but 2 weeks ago we were travelling north on I-75 and crossed the Mackinac Bridge into the upper peninsula. When we were in line at the toll booth (at the north end of the bridge) a state policeman motioned me to get out of line and pointed to the shoulder of the road. Of course I complied, and he asked me how long my rig was. We were towing the fifth wheel with the boat behind it. I told him it was 73'6". He asked for my driver's license, checked for the "double towing endorsement" and dragged out a tape measure, hooked it on the front bumper and walked to the back of the boat. Sure enough, I had measured the same as his results. He handed me back my driver's license, told us to have a good day and we got back in line to pay the toll. That's the first time I've been stopped for a "compliance check" in Michigan, he didn't check weights, but he did check length of the rig and insurance/driver's license for appropriate endorsements.
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Old 08-03-2017, 07:36 PM   #16
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I think John's experience is going to expand...including weights. I've been running back and forth across TX the last few days and I can see, especially in the metro areas, as they take your tax dollars, build new highways and then give them to toll entities (NTTA) to then tax you, toll you and have their own enforcement folks, that RV folks (towing vehicles) are going to be on their short list of "victims". Those that pay no attention, or refuse to abide by, the dictated weights of their vehicles/rvs are going to be in for a very rude surprise when they "flip the switch".
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Old 08-03-2017, 07:40 PM   #17
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I have said it before: RV's are the untapped gold mine.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:54 PM   #18
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I'm not as worried about the law.....as I am the "lawyers". A civil suit against me for knowingly towing overloaded, if I was involved in a serious accident or a fatality accident, worries me a lot more. Fortunately, with my present TV/trailer combo, I don't have to worry about it.
Glad you feel that way, as there are many lawers out there willing to prove you wrong.

Being within limits is only part of of the defense, how the rig was operated is likely be abigger part of the case.
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I have said it before: RV's are the untapped gold mine.
Agreed. If there is a way to make/collect money from it someone (or group, i.e. government) will.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:53 AM   #20
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There's another thread on the forum right now about the condition of the roads and a state by state comparison. What better way for states to collect money than from "tourists/travelers" crossing the border into their state? Just open an RV lane at the "entry point weigh stations" and check for compliance. Those that are "overweight" get a ticket (upcharge) and those that are "more than the average vehicle weight" (set by the state government) get to buy a permit..... Some say it will "kill tourism" but when every state does it, it's either stay home or buy the permit.

We are on the brink of needing a new transportation system (roads and bridges) and there's no money to pay for it. It's only a matter of time before RV'ers are included in that "bountiful income source" that's typically reserved for commercial truckers. (Ever see that decal on the back of a truck that reads, "This vehicle pays $5000 in road taxes per year" ???) Soon to apply to RV's too ??????
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