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Old 03-18-2017, 10:08 AM   #1
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Hello everyone! The wife and I bought out very first 5er in the fall of last year. It is a 2014 Montana 338DB. After we went out and got that all squared away we needed the truck still. I believe that we did well in choosing the truck. We bought a 2012 GMC Sierra 2500HD.

Here is where I am curious. Do you think that my weights will be okay when all is loaded and hooked up!?
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:25 AM   #2
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I'd be extremely surprised if you are not grossly over your truck's payload limit with a dry pin weight of 2390... There is a yellow sticker on the door what will tell you the payload limit... then subtract every pound you add to the truck like the hitch, luggage, people, pets, maps, ice chests... etc.


but don't worry, there will be several folks come along in a few minutes and tell you how they pull much larger trailers with one wheel tied behind their back...
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:30 AM   #3
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That question really should have been asked and checked before you purchased. But now that you have them. Read the yellow stickers on the truck driver door and the yellow sticker on the trailer. If you do not understand how or why to check the weights ask. Take a trip with the combo loaded to a scale and see the real weights. Than decide if you think your safe or not.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:36 AM   #4
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Congrats on that Montana nice unit !!! Enjoy !

X2 .. on Javi Comments my opinion you are in at least SRW 3500 territory, that is if you want to tow safety and legally. I will sign off and wait for the 2500 people "I can tow that" Especially the ones with the extra 30-45 gallon gas tanks in the bed. I can tow that and further . Okay here they come
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:58 AM   #5
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Well, not quite yet... I'm a F250 owner, and I specifically bought a SMALL fifth wheel, a Cougar XLite 27RKS with an empty weight of 7200 pounds and a pin weight of 1120 pounds. I can attest that when loaded for a trip, my trailer weighs over 9000 and the pin weight hits 1800 with the water tank (which is against the back wall) full. On the return trip from dry camping for the weekend, with black tank 1/2 full and the front gray tank full, my pin weight is over 2000 pounds. If you "do the math" that's almost DOUBLE the advertised pin weight.....

Now, why all those numbers? To compare, my trailer maxes out my 3/4 ton truck. Your empty trailer weighs 3600 pounds more than mine, your empty pin weight is 1200 pounds more than mine, your GVW is 2500 pounds more than mine, so pretty much, even if you just want to "drag your empty trailer around", you're going to be well over your truck's GVW and probably over your rear axle maximum as well. Remember, there's more to safe towing than just being able to make it go 70 on level ground...

OK, now, I'll also take a seat on the sideline and wait for the, "Sure, you'll be just fine, I do it all the time" crowd to chime in......
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:58 AM   #6
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Interesting, I have found two grossly different weight specs for this 5er.

This is from RVGuide.com which is usually pretty accurate.
Technical Specifications:
Length 37'-4"
Dry Weight 9,875#
Payload Capacity 2,250#
GVWR 12,125#
Hitch Weight 1,725# (17%)
Loaded pin approximate 2,425# to 3,031# (20% to 25%)

These are from the Keystone web site and seem a bit strange to me.
To me it looks like the payload and pin weights got reversed.

Dry weight 10,800#
Carrying Capacity 1,700#
Dry Pin 2,390#
Length 37'-4"

Either way they have both already, if it will work for them only they can decide. Yes, Javi is correct likely over GVWR of the 2500, not sure where GM was placing their 2500 in 2012, 9,200#, 9,800#, 9,900# or 10,000#. It is the OP choice to run over GVWR, for some it works well others feel very uncomfortable being 10# that magic GVWR.

The OP did the purchase in the correct order, but likely to be within ALL the "Numbers" should have selected a 3500 SRW, for the sticker that says so.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:00 AM   #7
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But wait!!! There's more...

Here we go...again.

Need one of those super duper movie theater 20lb sized popcorns.

And probably a drink
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Let me further clarify...I do have the 6.6 duramax. Extended cab, long bed. I know that changes many factors. Any change of thoughts?!
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I have numerous different places telling me that this truck can haul up to 14,700. If I am doing my math correct. Dry weight for my 5er if 9,875# with a carrying capacity of 2250. Those numbers together give me 12,125. That allows me to have 2,575 pounds left to play with for bed supplies, people weight, and my 65 pound dog.

Correct?
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:18 AM   #12
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Let me further clarify...I do have the 6.6 duramax. Extended cab, long bed. I know that changes many factors. Any change of thoughts?!
Yeah for the payload police it lowers your payload. Even more certainty that you will die.
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I have numerous different places telling me that this truck can haul up to 14,700. If I am doing my math correct. Dry weight for my 5er if 9,875# with a carrying capacity of 2250. Those numbers together give me 12,125. That allows me to have 2,575 pounds left to play with for bed supplies, people weight, and my 65 pound dog.

Correct?
See pm for my cell.. call me and I'll explain weight
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:40 AM   #14
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Thanks !! Javi I am sure the OP appreciates your offer
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Knowing these folks, I know what they are saying. Can you pull it is not the same question as is it the right thing to be pulling it. Apples and oranges.

Regardless of what the sales brochures say, the numbers printed on your door jamb stickers are the official numbers. That is your payload and your gross numbers for your specific truck.

Also, dry weight printed in a trailer sales brochure means nothing. When you are loaded, go to a CAT scale and weigh it. Then you'll know where you are and you will be making your decisions with real world numbers.

Also for the record, the diesel will tow a house, but the extra weight makes your payload of your truck go down.



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I believe that we did well in choosing the truck. We bought a 2012 GMC Sierra 2500HD.

Here is where I am curious. Do you think that my weights will be okay when all is loaded and hooked up!?
Nope! The hitch weight will be the limiting factor.

Load the truck up with fluids, passengers you expect to carry on a regular basis, add all the stuff to the truck that you anticipate taking on most trips and then take it to some scales and see what you have left over for a hitch weight.

Did the dealer let you drive it off the lot?

Most of us will add some weight with age. So will a RV trailer.
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Why hasn't anybody just said add air bags...that makes it all better right?

I'm getting up to put more butter on my popcorn!!
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Why hasn't anybody just said add air bags...that makes it all better right?

I'm getting up to put more butter on my popcorn!!
Think Javi put out the fire

Sorry, you will have to catch the next round, however, do not worry I am sure it will not be a long wait
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3/4 tons can be a tricky beast. Depending on the manufacturer, year and options, they can be the identical truck as their 1-ton brethren. This is why many say you can do more than what the yellow sticker reflects.

If you want to follow the stickers, you're probably overweight. Anything else and you need to research you vehicle more. The weight police ignore the facts and blindly follow stickers. They refuse to believe the administrative derating of 3/4 tons.


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Why hasn't anybody just said add air bags...that makes it all better right?

I'm getting up to put more butter on my popcorn!!
Brilliant! Never. Thought. Of. Adding. More. Butter!

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