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Old 09-24-2018, 10:03 AM   #11
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Completely agree on the led replacements, just makes sense. However, In my opinion, replacing all the lamps with led's doesn't negate their usefulness nor benefits of a properly installed disconnect.

Yes, I agree on the disconnect. Didn't mean to imply that the LEDs would be an alternative for it. IMO the LEDs are something that needs to be done for any number of reasons, some mentioned above, but it is something that would be done "in addition" to the disconnect instead of in lieu of.
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:00 AM   #12
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The biggest drawback to LED conversion is it can get VEEERRRY expensive! Plus unless you all have better longevity than I did out of the few LEDs I tried I can't afford them.
My 5er is almost 6 years old with incandescent/halogen bulbs that have been in since new fulltiming, the few LEDs, not the cheap ones from EBay, lasted about 2 months before they went completely out or most of the diodes were out.
Read any forum about the awning LEDs & how many have them burnt out & how many times they've been replaced. The new Redwood 5ers come standard with all LED fixtures that when they burn out you have to replace the entire fixture, bulbs not replaceable.
We don't boondock so battery conservation is not an issue, no thanks I'll stick to what I've got.
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Old 09-24-2018, 02:43 PM   #13
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I installed an "after market" LED strip on our awning when we bought the trailer in 2013. It's still on the awning, all the LED's work and there's no problem with dimming or flickering. I think I paid $29 for it when I bought it, currently Amazon has it listed for $39 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As for the overhead lights, I bought them in 2010 when we bought our Springdale and took them out to use in the Cougar. I did have to buy more as there are significantly more lights in the Cougar, but the original LED's I bought 8 years ago are still going strong. I bought them from EBay and from Amazon, did not buy the "expensive ones" (I think they were 10 for $20) and have had no problems other than a couple that flickered when I first put them in. I changed those out and have the "flickering ones" for spares if needed, so far, not one failure.

To me (others probably have different opinions) the "key" is to buy LED arrays that are rated 12-24 VDC. DO NOT buy arrays rated at 12VDC because the converter in our trailers operates at 13.6 VDC and 13.2 VDC. That's a "sure fire way" to burn up any 12VDC rated LED's. Sort of like plugging in a 110 drill into a 220 outlet.....

As for buying the "expensive LED's, many people do that and, I suppose, if you have money to burn, why not.. Heck some people mow their own lawn, some hire a neighborhood kid and some hire a professional lawn service. There's various levels of paying for lawn service, so why not the same for LED's ???

TBH, virtually ALL LED's are manufactured in China. Some of the "expensive arrays" are assembled in the US (of Chinese components) and sell for 200-500% more than the "identical Chinese assembled product".... Sort of like hiring the neighborhood kid vs the professional lawn service. If both are using a TroyBilt lawn mower, the lawn "should be mowed the same"....

I've had excellent results with the LED's that I've bought, maybe it's luck, maybe it's knowing what not to buy.....
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:42 PM   #14
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^^^^^x2. I paid the same price as John. Put in about 40 of them. I had a lot of failures at first because I bought the 12v only - wrong thing to get. I replaced them all with 12-24vdc. I've had 2-3 fail in 3-4 years and I just carry spares if one starts flickering; the price is cheap enough that it doesn't matter...to me. Just got boxes (1 each) of 3528 and 5050 bulbs in to put in the trailer for our winter trip to FL as spares. Incandescents and halogen have several drawbacks and the LEDs few. Cost is not a factor if you buy the correct (price wise) bulbs. I wouldn't think about ever putting an incandescent bulb back in my trailer.....no more brown bases or lenses; no more heat from the lamps; no more converter kicking on as soon as I illuminate the trailer etc.
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:46 PM   #15
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John is correct. Use and buy the ones rated for 11 to 18 volts, or some range like that. Not 12v. I had the 12v get hot enough to melt the solder out onto my hands as Im removing them. Not fun.
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:59 PM   #16
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Swapped out all lights with LED, inside and out. The interior lights were similar to what John referenced and also installed $30 awning strip. Exterior lights are Bargman conversion fixtures except stop/turn/tail which were total fixture replacements. That was 4 years ago and have replaced two lamps inside over that time.
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Old 09-30-2018, 11:40 AM   #17
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Man, that's one long trip!!!
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Old 09-30-2018, 02:54 PM   #18
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Installed LED's in our 5er about 2 years ago. Did a lot of research, and found someone who had spent a lot on research, and found what worked. I followed their recommendations, and haven't had an LED fail. Replaced all the bulbs on the interior - 12vdc and 120 VAC. What started the search was the vanity lights above the bathroom mirror. The previous owner had done repair where the bulbs had singed the ceiling. Those I replaced first. With LED lights, we can boondock longer before having to start the generator. Would recommend LED's
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Old 10-01-2018, 04:15 AM   #19
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Also installed LEDs in my previous 5er. But one thing about LEDs - they are not all created equal. I bought cheap ones, and I got what I paid for....
Within a few months about 25% of them stopped working.
Lesson? Do your research on LED bulbs so you don't have to do it all over again.
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Old 10-04-2018, 06:37 PM   #20
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Just an update. I sent this to Keystone and they immediately called me, asked a lot of questions and were concerned about this. They were going to forward all the information and pictures to their electrical engineer. I was glad that they were also concerned. Hopefully all their RV's will switch everything over to LED.

For those who said I should have done the disconnect, you shouldn't have to. I normally plug it into an outlet at home to keep the batteries charged and there is power when I go into it. Many other people do that as well.

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