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05-20-2019, 03:28 PM
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Towing capacity
Thanks for all of the information. I've found Cougar FLS's back to 2014 which are 337FLS and up thru 2018, the 367FLS had an empty weight of 9998 and GVWR of 12565 per Keystone's website. I won't tow 14k with my current TV. If needed, definitely will look at something smaller. Thanks. I do appreciate all of the information.
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05-20-2019, 03:35 PM
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Pics
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More of what we are probably looking at anyway.
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05-20-2019, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfhacker64
Thanks for all of the information. I've found Cougar FLS's back to 2014 which are 337FLS and up thru 2018, the 367FLS had an empty weight of 9998 and GVWR of 12565 per Keystone's website. I won't tow 14k with my current TV. If needed, definitely will look at something smaller. Thanks. I do appreciate all of the information.
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The 337 and 367 are different units. The 367 has been available since 18 per Keystone's website. The 337 had been around for years. The weights for the 337 were constant (within 80 lbs gvw - 12,565 2017) as well as those for the 367 (14,000 2018/19). I knew the 367s were new because I hadn't seen them before the last couple of years. I had seen 337s.
Edit: Whoops, hadn't seen the post above. Yes, the 337 would be a better choice but I still think it's going to tax the truck traveling cross country. My guideline, to me, is preferably diesel over 10-11k, definitely at 12k+. I'm sure it can be done though, and hopefully safely. Good luck.
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05-26-2019, 08:28 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Southern Oregon
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One more thing is needed to be able to calculate the real-world towing capacity of your truck, and that is the truck's actual weight. Fill the fuel tank, load on your tool box, all of your tools, leveling boards, blocks, jacks, fifth-wheel hitch, spare tire, wife, kids, dog, etc., etc. and go to a public scale to have the truck weighed. Subtract this weight from the truck's GVWR and you have the true amount available for trailer pin weight. Also, weigh the truck front and rear axles separately so that you know how much capacity is available on each. I agree with others posting here that its best to use 20-25% of the trailer's GVWR to calculate the pin weight, especially if you haven't yet bought the trailer. If you already own the trailer, load it up like you are going on a trip, drain the black and gray tanks, fill the fresh water tank and tow it to the public scale and have all of the weights measured again. It can be a real eye-opener! I think most of us with 3/4 ton trucks run out of truck load capacity long before we run out of gross towing capacity.
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05-26-2019, 09:33 AM
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Dry rv weights, truck max tow weights & any weights published in brochures are all bull hockey & have absolutely no real world relevance.
Only use the GVW weights for each individual rv or truck & remember close only counts in horseshoes & hand grenades.
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05-26-2019, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Golfhacker64
Good morning everyone,
I’ve done a lot of research and I’m just looking for your thoughts or confirmations. My wife and I will be purchasing a 5th wheel next year (Presumably, a Cougar 367FLS). It has a Dry weight of 9998 lbs, GVWR of 12565 lbs., and a Hitch weight of 2165 lbs. we do not plan on traveling with the tanks loaded, maybe Freshwater @ 25% Full. We have a 2015 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD, Double Cab 4x2 with an 8 foot bed and 4.10 rear axle. Specs say a GCWR if 20500 lbs. and a Trailer capacity of 14400 lbs. Payload Capacity is 3300 lbs. Everything that I figure shows that I should be fine, am I? FYI, we will not be full-timing, most likely 6 months of living in TX with occasionally journeys. Thanks for the help.
Mike
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According to the Cougar spec sheet (attached) the empty weight of the 367FLS is 11025. That said, I have one and use a 2500 HD to pull it. You just have to be careful how you load it. Put weight under the bed and you should be fine.
Added note... just saw you’re using a gasser. I’m using a diesel. You will be at a disadvantage there and I wouldn’t do it myself.
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05-26-2019, 01:30 PM
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Senior Member
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Be sure to check out THIS information on matching truck & trailer.
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05-26-2019, 03:43 PM
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Join Date: May 2014
Location: Eastern GTA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian Len
According to the Cougar spec sheet (attached) the empty weight of the 367FLS is 11025. That said, I have one and use a 2500 HD to pull it. You just have to be careful how you load it. Put weight under the bed and you should be fine.
Added note... just saw you’re using a gasser. I’m using a diesel. You will be at a disadvantage there and I wouldn’t do it myself.
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Canadian Len, no doubt your 2500 diesel has plenty of pulling power for the 367FLS but have you ever taken your combination to a scale to see how close (or how much over) you are relative to the truck’s GVWR? The diesel engine puts you at a 400 - 600# disadvantage for payload vs a gasser.
When I was shopping for a new 5er recently I really liked the floorplan of the Cougar 315RLS but I’m convinced it would have put me at or over my F-250 gasser’s GVWR. The 367FLS is significantly heavier than the 315RLS and you have the heavy Diesel engine stealing payload capacity.
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05-26-2019, 04:50 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Winnipeg
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I did. I was really close on the GVWR when I picked it up empty. There is lots of storage in the rear of the trailer which I’m sure will help reduce the weight on the truck. As far as GCWR, I was about 5500 lbs under.
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05-26-2019, 09:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian Len
I did. I was really close on the GVWR when I picked it up empty. There is lots of storage in the rear of the trailer which I’m sure will help reduce the weight on the truck. As far as GCWR, I was about 5500 lbs under.
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I find statments like this a little hard to believe. The dry pin on that 5er is 2,400#, likely about how much payload your Diesel 2500 has.
I can't say I haven't done it, but so much better ride with a 3500 DRW.
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