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Old 08-09-2018, 09:29 PM   #11
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There are so many pretty fifth wheels out there.. I have a 3/4 ton duramax short bed 4x4 and we looked at Montana and Alpines... both are heavy with a lot of pin weight empty.

For that reason we bought the smallest Alpine at 34 feet, empty weight 11.5K with 2490 pin weight... loaded up for our standard traveling confit Im at about 13K with close to 3000 pin weight ...

Im comfortable with this, have towed all over the west... Im aware of what is on my door sticker...

In my case with my truck I would not tow a 40 foot fifth wheel..
We are two that tow over GVWR, both telling that your new 5er is too much for you your 2500, that should be a bit of a wake up! I gave you a the benefit of only carrying less than half of the 5er Payload, please understand too much 5er for a SRW!
Do you have many miles on the TV? Think about trading back for DRW TV with the carrying capacity for that 5er, or pick a smaller 5er.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:14 PM   #12
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Alright, now that you guys have made it clear that my 2500 isn't going to work. Can I get some feedback on a potential tradeup before I make another mistake?

Its still not a DRW, but
2018 Ram 3500
6.7L Diesel
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Short Bed
Crew Cab

GVRW: 11,700
Payload: 3,930
GCRW: 25,300
Max TWR: 17,060
GAWR Front: 6,000
GAWR Rear: 7,000

I understand its still an SRW, I'm trying to solve the problem I've got now. If I'm still over my head, I'll stop bothering you all.
Seriously, thanks
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:34 PM   #13
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Here is a a very good weight calculator site. Click on this link.... http://fifthwheelst.com/ and when the page loads, go to the top of the page and click on the 4 Step Weight Safety Plan. Print out the worksheet, then follow the instructions, putting in all the number that is required and at the end, you will have the numbers you need to determine whether or not you are OK weight-wise or not. It will take a little time, but it is an excellent calulator and the bottom line is that the number don't lie.......you are either OK or you aren't. Hope this help.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:50 PM   #14
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Alright, now that you guys have made it clear that my 2500 isn't going to work. Can I get some feedback on a potential tradeup before I make another mistake?

Its still not a DRW, but
2018 Ram 3500
6.7L Diesel
Automatic
4x4
Short Bed
Crew Cab

GVRW: 11,700
Payload: 3,930
GCRW: 25,300
Max TWR: 17,060
GAWR Front: 6,000
GAWR Rear: 7,000

I understand its still an SRW, I'm trying to solve the problem I've got now. If I'm still over my head, I'll stop bothering you all.
Seriously, thanks
Well,,, I'd never suggest do or don't. My truck payload is a little less, GAWRs are the same, GCWR a little less, max trailer 15,200. Loaded ready to snowbird just under 14K. Pulled over 14K miles in the last year being very close to payload and 42' long. Don't think it could be better towing! Lighter than you. If you trade you are committed.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:04 AM   #15
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Just went through this with my DD, she just bought a four horse slant GN with small living quarters aluminum trailer. Weighs about 6,500# Dry and 12,000# GVWR, trailer wheels way at the back. Towing home I had about 2,600# on the pin. She wants to tow to BC where they scale TV GVWR needed to convenience her that only a DRW TV would cover the
Possible pin weights.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:05 AM   #16
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Thanks for the posts guys, I've learned across 4 forums that I have to eat this mistake.

Thanks again,
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:08 AM   #17
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Bob, I'm surprise that your dealer didn't tell you that a 150/1500 could haul that monster 5er. We were told once that a 35' 5er could be hauld by what we had at the time, my daily criver, a low end F150 as far as capacity. We didn't buy, of course but waited until we had enough truck.

You can never have too much truck. I suspect th1e Montana folks told you that you needed a dually, and if we were to buy a 3810, would be considering that size but the SRW 3500 long bed, quite possibly with air bags and, hopefully with the OEM 5er package will do just fine
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:41 AM   #18
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Bob.....With a trailer that weighs in as much as the one that you've got ordered.....or for any trailer for that matter, it's always a good idea to view the potential weight that you can be pulling. In the case of the Montana 3810MS, that is 16,750 lbs....that's the empty weight and the Cargo Carrying Capacity. That number, times 20% would put you at 3350 lbs before you start adding everything else......5ver hitch, passenger(s) weight, tool box, tools, firewood, grill, extra stuff,.....anything and EVERYTHING that goes either in or on the truck......and only YOU know how much extra "stuff" you will be transporting and the weight of you and your passenger(s). Granted, that calculation (16,750 times 20%) is an estimate, that number also serves as a guide to know that you have the potential to load the trailer to that weight....thus guiding you to hopefully buy the correct truck to be able to handle THAT amount of weight. No one goes camping with an empty trailer, and only YOU know how much that you will load it when you do go. The point is that it will be somewhere between empty (not much chance of that) and completely maxed out.....ONLY YOU will know what all you will take and how loaded it will be. That is why, as a general rule, most of the experienced folks will always tell you, use the GVWR of the trailer and multiply x 20% to get the pin weight numbers......that is your starting point. Then by adding in everything else (what I stated above) you will have a pretty realistic number of where you will be weight-wise when you are ready to hit the road. If you've done your homework correctly and responsibly, you will know that you need a truck that is capable of of carrying (payload) xxxx lbs.

I can honestly say, you are most likely in Dually territory from a Cargo Carrying Capacity standpoint. The possible exception to this is if you are OK with a really stripped down truck.....basically the "work truck" type vehicle that has almost zero options and is just a basic truck. These trucks have the most payload capacity available because they don't have all the "goodies" on them that most of us like, thus the greater CCC or payload. All those extra goodies take up valuable weight capacity away from the total, so a truck without all of that will naturally have more payload. I can say a couple of things here.....with a trailer that size, I would personally opt for a truck that has some buffer or extra payload available...even when you've got it loaded to the gills. I would also prefer the Dually from a stability standpoint. You will have a lot of trailer behind you and for the safest and most enjoyable experience, having something to tow it the easiest way possibly, is going to be the Dually.....extra payload capacity and added stability from having two tires/wheels in the back.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:20 AM   #19
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Bob Bo,
I feel your pain. Dealer told me I had enough truck also. I knew I was close and yes the TV did tow and stop the 5er. The (previous) truck didn't "like" it,but it did it. Being so close to the max I knew I had to upgrade my TV.
The jury is in and has spoken. That is a lot of trailer you have,but you know that.
I think your present TV is new enough that the "sting" (trade up cost to DRW) wont be so bad. Especially since dealers are looking to move new 2018 stock prior to the 2019 inventory arriving, I may be a little behind on this,but I'm sure you will find a deal. Shop around and consider the factory air bag system as well as the tow package options.
One pressing question though. The "weight police" have been mentioned a few times on here. Would they also be known as the "Keystone Cops"?
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:22 AM   #20
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Take it from a guy who bought 4 trucks in 8 years.
Just bite the bullet and get a dually.
Don't be like me!
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