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Old 11-12-2018, 11:21 PM   #1
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Talking Jumping in the waters.

Hello all,
Just thought I would introduce myself, looking to begin camping. Just bought the truck, now looking for the trailer. We cant decide between a 25 fiver or the 26 trailer, either a Cougar, or Jayco. Jayco does not really have anything comparable to the 26 Cougar half ton trailer, but liking the 25.5 reok fifth from them. All of them are about the same price point, so just have to pick one.....

Truck is an F150 HDPP, almost 2500 payload, 11,400 tow, so they should all fit. Would go with a Hensley/ ProPride hitch on the trailer. I like that I would not have to tear up the back of the truck with a fiver hitch, but also would likely enjoy the benifits of a fifth wheel too. Need to keep over all length under 30 to go to state parks, where we likely be dry camping at least a week at time. Looking at putting several hundred amphours worth of lithium batteries in, inverter, a bit of solar too. Go medium or go home, right?😉

Anyhow, trying to get a feel for this brand, they seem fairly comparable.
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:46 AM   #2
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Cookie, you will need to stay under 30' for more reasons than camping at state parks. Without going into many details, you bought the truck before the RV, you plan on loading the new RV to the hilt with goodies, you bought a minimum of truck trying to tow a maximum of trailer, I could go on. It would behoove you to post the yellow sticker from the door column of your new beast and then we can all decide how much RV you can safely tow. By the way. welcome to the forum. Lots of good info here, but not all of it will be what you want to hear.
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:22 AM   #3
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Cookie, you will need to stay under 30' for more reasons than camping at state parks. Without going into many details, you bought the truck before the RV, you plan on loading the new RV to the hilt with goodies, you bought a minimum of truck trying to tow a maximum of trailer, I could go on. It would behoove you to post the yellow sticker from the door column of your new beast and then we can all decide how much RV you can safely tow. By the way. welcome to the forum. Lots of good info here, but not all of it will be what you want to hear.
The truck would be fine for a 25 fifth, I didnt go into it blind. It has MORE (by a couple hundred pounds) payload than a diesel f250.
Payload is just under 2500lbs, and tow is 11400, hitch 1320lb. I use the truck for a 129 mile commute, and only will be towing 2% of the time. Long story short, it falls within the numbers best I can tell for either trailer.
Tongue dry 1500, loaded 1800?
Hitch, Andersen, 100.
Myself, wife, dog, 500
So, maxed out, but under. Better than the diesel 250 at least.
The Jayco tongue is 1250 dry, so slightly better margins with that.
The travel trailer will likely (with 100 lb ProPride) will likely be under too, the hitch max 1320 will be limiting.

That all said, still not sure fifth or TT
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:25 AM   #4
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Welcome, first let me say Jim's advice is spot on. That yellow sticker is what the truck is rated at given the equipment installed. From the number, subtract all weight you put in the truck i.e. you, moma,
kids, dogs, fuel, food, drinks, toys, etc.
You will get a number of responses from is affectionately referred to as the "weight police". Don't misinterpret their comments as cynical. Typically they are folks just trying to help you avoid making the mistakes that we've all made. Lots of very knowledgeable people here.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:00 AM   #5
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Sounds like you're going to have a lot of fun. Welcome to the forum. You'll get an abundance of opinions and help here.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:28 AM   #6
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You sound like you know what your doing.
I have a 14` F150 Boost with Max Tow; Payload Package, Off Road Pack. Loadlifter 5000's, Hellwig Rear Sway Bar, E rated truck & trailer tires, Husky WDH w/ Sway Control and a 5* tow tune.
That being said I safely pull a 38' 9k dry Keystone Outback with ease.
I too was looking at a "light"-lol> 5th wheel but honestly could not find one with all the amenities until the Outback.
Your truck will do great, just plug all the numbers in and make sure your not over on weight limits.
That will dictate what size & weight of trailer you purchase .
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:00 AM   #7
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You sound like you know what your doing.
I have a 14` F150 Boost with Max Tow; Payload Package, Off Road Pack. Loadlifter 5000's, Hellwig Rear Sway Bar, E rated truck & trailer tires, Husky WDH w/ Sway Control and a 5* tow tune.
That being said I safely pull a 38' 9k dry Keystone Outback with ease.
I too was looking at a "light"-lol> 5th wheel but honestly could not find one with all the amenities until the Outback.
Your truck will do great, just plug all the numbers in and make sure your not over on weight limits.
That will dictate what size & weight of trailer you purchase .
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:54 AM   #8
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Welcome to the forum. The truck, weight scales, tongue weights and numbers numbers numbers is the off season topic of choice! Enjoy your trailer. The fifth wheel has some advantages as does the travel trailer. If you get a 1/2 ton 5th wheel, keep in mind you have to scooch up in the bedroom as you can't stand unless you are under 3' tall. The advantage is that they pull easier and back up easier (well at least for me as I can't drive worth a darn). Keep in mind that NO trailer of any sort is 100 percent perfect in what it offers; there are always trade offs. Best, to my mind is to buy a USED (read cheap) trailer similar to what you consider a dream RV from a floorplan and amenities standpoint and after a few trips out will soon discover that the shape of the toilet, the width/height of the shower, the amount of pantry space and the ease of watching your TV while sitting on the couch all make a huge difference... the things you THOUGHT were important suddenly start to fade and become "nice to have". We have owned many travel trailers, truck campers and 5th wheels and finally figured out what was really important to us. There are trade offs; some of which can be fixed and some can't (I now have a Dometic 320 toilet which cured a lot of my whining vs the old Aqua Magic). Anyway, folks mean well here on this forum so consider what is said but don't get your feeling hurt when we pick apart your tongue weight and WORST... the tires that come on your new rig! Good camping!
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:10 PM   #9
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Probably need to clarify some things here.

OP is very impressed with the 1/2 ton and the "almost 2500 lbs." of load capacity (which is actually really good for a 1/2 ton) but comes via a lot of magic and mirrors. My HD has 3200 lbs of payload and beyond that a 1/2 ton just can't compare to the truck, or any other HD truck in weight handling.

The 25.5reok (Jayco) is 10k gvw. Figure pin of 2k when loaded up (20%). That leaves the OP with "almost" 500 lbs. for anything/everything in the truck including 500 lbs. for folks and puppy, hitch, toys, gear, tools etc. etc. etc. It won't "fall within the numbers" IMO. https://www.jayco.com/products/fifth...wheel/255reok/


Looking at the Cougar 1/2 ton 26rks and it "might" be a decent fit for your truck. GVW of 8800; tongue of approx. 1144 @ 13%. That would leave you a little wiggle room on your payload and make trying to stay within your capacities much easier....and much more fun. It's a 30' trailer and IF Ford's hype about the towing prowess of your truck lives up to their claims, you should be good to go, IMO.

Not a "police" of any kind. Want to make sure you understand what you are getting into and that you get to enjoy the money you spend instead of unleashing a wave of worries and problems when you make the wrong choice because you didn't know. We have a travel trailer and love it. We have looked and looked and can't find a 5th we would rather have unless we get into 40+ ft. and 200k. (yet ).

As far as brands; I've owned one Jayco and it was a pop up. It leaked water thru the floor (bought new). I've looked at Jaycos (and many others) over the years and IMO the Keystone's are going to give you better value, better build and better amenities at a given price point. Jayco used to be a watch word for quality construction, I've not seen that in all the units I've looked at in the past many years. Good luck on your choice.
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:46 PM   #10
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One more time, dry rv weights & truck max tow weights mean ABSOLUTELY nothing when matching truck & rv.
Plus to compare a 1/2 ton V6 to a 3/4 diesel is comparing apples to cabbage, for rv towing choose the diesel.
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