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Old 11-13-2018, 07:50 PM   #11
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Looking at the trailer you asked about, in comparison to the Cougar:

Cougar front bed 70x80 KZ front bed 60x80 While the bed is smaller, the space on each side of the bed is 5" greater.

Cougar propane 60 lbs, KZ propane 40 lbs. Cougar has 20 pounds more. That will make a difference in cold/cool weather camping.

Cougar fresh water 60 gallons, KZ 40 gal. That extra 20 gallons could mean an extra 1 or 2 days of dry camping.

Cougar black tank 38 gallons, KZ black tank 32 gal. More or less a "wash".

Cougar gray tank 76, KZ gray tank 32 gal. Cougar has more than twice the capacity which means the KZ doesn't have enough gray capacity to even use all the fresh water... Something to consider....

Cougar 15" wheels, 12" brakes, KZ 14" wheels 10" brakes. Although any trailer can have problems stopping or carrying its own weight, the Cougar has significantly better capacity/potential for upgrade than the KZ.

I am speculating here, but I'd guess the purchase price (after some negotiations) will be very similar on both trailers. So, what would be the value given some of the differences above? Each buyer has their own preferences, priorities and limitations, so it's impossible for me to "walk in your shoes".....

I'm sure there are other significant differences that I haven't addressed that you need to consider. I'd suggest you do some research on the type of construction (wood walls vs aluminum wall studs) type of insulation, type of sidewall exterior (fiberglass vs aluminum) size of air conditioner (13500 vs 15000), thickness of foam on dinette and bunks are just a few of the things I don't have any information about the KZ.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:52 PM   #12
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This summer, I was exactly where you are now. I had a crew cab f150 and was going through the same thing. By the time I added all of the extra "stuff", i had the rear axle weight overloaded. The truck towed well in ideal conditions. When wind picked up, or there was any other variables, i did not feel safe. I now tow with an F250 with a diesel.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:09 PM   #13
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bigdawg - I would encourage you to look long and hard before buying a KZ trailer. Not trying to knock them or anything else, but John has given you a laundry list of reasons that the unit you are looking at is "insufficient" IMO. With a family of little ones growing up you need MORE capacities, not less - and it will only increase. I'm not a big "fan boy" of Keystone products, but after spending countless hours, days and weeks looking over all kinds of RVs they are my choice for bang for your buck. Now, when we get over 150k or so the field gets bigger.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:11 PM   #14
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As an example see my trailer below. Tongue wt. dry/unloaded was listed by Keystone at 560 lbs as I recall. I weighed at a scale, loaded full propane, 2 batteries, fresh water tank, food, clothing, camp gear for 3 days for 2 people was 920 lbs.
Just went dry camping/ hunt trip for 11 days, food, winter clothes, guns ammo for 3. Truck bed carried tent, wood stove, chain saw, more food, generator, 15 gals extra fuel for truck and genny, 20 gals extra water and tools to fix broken stuff.
I wanted to check the wt.s but did not have anytime. Glad to have that extra capacity when needed and not be over wt. No white knuckle driving for me.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:14 PM   #15
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bigdawg - I would encourage you to look long and hard before buying a KZ trailer. Not trying to knock them or anything else, but John has given you a laundry list of reasons that the unit you are looking at is "insufficient" IMO. With a family of little ones growing up you need MORE capacities, not less - and it will only increase. I'm not a big "fan boy" of Keystone products, but after spending countless hours, days and weeks looking over all kinds of RVs they are my choice for bang for your buck. Now, when we get over 150k or so the field gets bigger.
Good call, I Appreciate the comparisons by John. I am not shopping on price so the side by side comparison was nice to see. Another model we are very interested is a Grand Design Imagine

https://www.granddesignrv.com/showro...orplans/2400bh

Quite a bit more money but the features look very high quality. The GVW comes in at 7,495 (500 lbs less than the cougar) and 28'. Any thoughts on this? Would I be safe to tow this with my truck? Thank you for all the help, one day when I become an experienced trailer guy I hope to help a young guy in my shoes.
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:19 AM   #16
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I was in ur same shoes a couple months ago. Had a 2016 F150 3.5tt with a payload of 1940. Book says it will tow 11,900. Looked at most all 150 series 5ers. Not 1 would work. Frusturated because I bought this truck 18 months ago with a small 5er in mind. Ended up buying the fifth wheel we wanted and upgraded the truck to a 2018 f350 drw td. Problem solved.
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Old 11-14-2018, 06:18 AM   #17
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Sort of like Cinderella. You have the shoe, now it's time to find the foot that fits in it.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:33 AM   #18
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Will the weight/length specs on this trailer work better for me than the Cougar?
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:49 AM   #19
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The length than would be what your comfortable with within tow specs.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:56 PM   #20
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Ok, guys. I have to admit to scratching my head over a few responses to the OP’s question of if the camper weight is OK for his F-150.

First we heard that the Cougar will probably be over his limits and is not a good idea. But, when a lower weight/ smaller tank capacities camper (the KZ) was also offered up, then it was stated why that camper wouldn’t be a good fit for a growing family. And, for the record, I totally understand that. I don’t know that I would be telling anyone to ever get a camper with smaller grey/ black tanks. I wish ours were larger for dry camping! But, on the flip side, if that KZ is a better match to the trucks capabilities, is that a better first camper?

So, are you guys suggesting for him to look real hard/ get the heavier camper since the lighter one doesn’t have as big of capacities, even if it’s over his trucks limits? Or are you stating he should get a larger truck? Or?

Or am I just reading everything wrong and getting confused since my brain is already fried from this work week? Which is a very good possibility.
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