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02-24-2019, 07:37 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Newport News, VA
Posts: 221
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Originally Posted by JYR
Why do people ask for answers and post then completely get upset when more experienced rv people with many years of experiences try to help out the newbies, and they turn around and get upset when we all are looking out for their safety in towing and trying to protect the safety of their loved ones, and they turn around and bash the people trying to help. If they know so much why are they asking for our help. Because no matter as we try to direct them to their best interests they bash us WHY? Is my question
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Basically it's because they have already made up their mind and they are just looking for validation, not advice. They just want someone, anyone, to pat them on the back and say, "You're OK. Have a nice day."
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Merlin B.
U.S. Army Aviator, Retired
2016 Cougar XLite 28SGS
2007.5 Ram 3500 DRW
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02-24-2019, 08:19 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Wood River,IL
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I towed a 20 ft TT with a 2004 Explorer V8 for 6 yrs with no problems. My suggestion to you is to actually tow the TT you are looking to buy WITH your vehicle to see if will handle it. Do that before you buy it. Good luck to you and hope you’re able to tow the new TT.
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2019 F-150 XLT 5.0 Super Crew FX4
Wood River, IL
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02-24-2019, 09:14 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 708
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JYR
Why do people ask for answers and post then completely get upset when more experienced rv people with many years of experiences try to help out the newbies, and they turn around and get upset when we all are looking out for their safety in towing and trying to protect the safety of their loved ones, and they turn around and bash the people trying to help. If they know so much why are they asking for our help. Because no matter as we try to direct them to their best interests they bash us WHY? Is my question
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As one who has asked for advice from these forums and begrudgingly taken that advice (it cost me an extra $10K for a TV) I can sympathise with your frustration here.
Also as a person who has a SIL that does this all the time, I can say it used to drive me up the wall.
And finally, as a teacher, I've encountered many students who through their own choices, seemed determined to fail. I learned that you have to let people live their lives their way.
In the case of the people who ask versions of "Am I ok to go with this unsafe combination?" All we can hope for is that we're not near them when they come to grief as a result of those choices.
On the other hand, I can understand (to a degree) that because of economic or other imperatives, people make marginal choices and hope for the best. I would like to think that we all here, hope for the best for those people too.
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02-25-2019, 04:39 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Aledo
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To the OP....I currently have the Keyston Passport 28BH with a 2015 Chevy Suburban LT with 3.42 gears and airbags underneath the rear.
I pull the 28BH with a WDH and am within limits for the sticker on my truck.
I have younger kids and we distribute the weight (ie goods and foods) from in the trailer and within the truck.
I was determined to have the 3.42 gears to give more of a buffer on the gross weights than the 3.08 could provide.
Feel free to PM me with any particular questions.
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2015 GMC Sierra 2500 6.0L CC 4X4
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02-25-2019, 05:38 PM
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Gone Traveling
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Saint Joseph, MI
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The OP hadn't posted to this thread in 6 days.
He started the thread and replied twice. I think he took his dead horse with him.
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02-25-2019, 07:00 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Global Driver
To the OP....I currently have the Keyston Passport 28BH with a 2015 Chevy Suburban LT with 3.42 gears and airbags underneath the rear.
I pull the 28BH with a WDH and am within limits for the sticker on my truck.
I have younger kids and we distribute the weight (ie goods and foods) from in the trailer and within the truck.
I was determined to have the 3.42 gears to give more of a buffer on the gross weights than the 3.08 could provide.
Feel free to PM me with any particular questions.
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Thank you for your reply.
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02-26-2019, 01:58 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Hemlock
Posts: 816
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So I drive a 3/4 ton suburban for work. Here is the sticker from the door.
Not all that impressive.
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2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO, Aisin Trans 3:73
Reese Goosebox
2019 Sandpiper 379FLOK
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02-26-2019, 04:28 AM
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Gone Traveling
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Saint Joseph, MI
Posts: 149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tech740
So I drive a 3/4 ton suburban for work. Here is the sticker from the door. Attachment 20477
Not all that impressive.
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I'm missing your point.
Here is my sticker.
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02-26-2019, 06:17 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Hemlock
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There was a lot of talk saying a 3/4 ton suburban was going to be high in payload. It was just to show what they are. I really don’t see that as a high number.
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2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO, Aisin Trans 3:73
Reese Goosebox
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02-26-2019, 06:25 AM
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Gone Traveling
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Saint Joseph, MI
Posts: 149
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Now I'm tracking, thanks.
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03-02-2019, 06:43 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Mission Viejo
Posts: 8
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Suburban
I have the 2500 Suburban (2007 @ 6.0 L) and it tows my 29 foot Springdale without effort. When I was researching it seems that new and nearly new are required to go with the GMC version to get the towing capacity.
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12-26-2019, 06:28 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Boulder City
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Hope this helps..
We have a 2003 3/4 ton Suburban 4x4 with the 8.1 Liter Rated at 340hp and 455 lb-ft. It is equipped with the 3.73 rear axle.
It has a max trailer weight rating of 10,100lbs, and GCWR of 17,000lbs and a max tongue weight of 1500 lbs with a weight distribution hitch.
We tow a 2019 Keystone Passport 2810bh, 5350lbs dry weight, payload capacity of 1850lbs for a GVWR of 7200lbs.
I have an E2 weight distribution hitch with sway control, and it pulls very nicely. I have pulled from Nevada to NY and back with no white knuckle episodes. We live in Nevada, so anyplace we go, we are dealing with Mountains. The truck is working thru Colorado and Utah, but maintains traffic flow even over the Loveland pass (Eisenhower tunnel) 7.6mpg (ouch!) avg for the round trip.
I won't pretend it runs like a diesel, but for us, it has been a great vehicle. However, it has 200,000 miles on the clock and we will be upgrading to either a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel pickup this summer.
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12-26-2019, 07:39 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: W. Texas
Posts: 17,701
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacekeeper
Hope this helps..
We have a 2003 3/4 ton Suburban 4x4 with the 8.1 Liter Rated at 340hp and 455 lb-ft. It is equipped with the 3.73 rear axle.
It has a max trailer weight rating of 10,100lbs, and GCWR of 17,000lbs and a max tongue weight of 1500 lbs with a weight distribution hitch.
We tow a 2019 Keystone Passport 2810bh, 5350lbs dry weight, payload capacity of 1850lbs for a GVWR of 7200lbs.
I have an E2 weight distribution hitch with sway control, and it pulls very nicely. I have pulled from Nevada to NY and back with no white knuckle episodes. We live in Nevada, so anyplace we go, we are dealing with Mountains. The truck is working thru Colorado and Utah, but maintains traffic flow even over the Loveland pass (Eisenhower tunnel) 7.6mpg (ouch!) avg for the round trip.
I won't pretend it runs like a diesel, but for us, it has been a great vehicle. However, it has 200,000 miles on the clock and we will be upgrading to either a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel pickup this summer.
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Your post is enlightening to me and I do not mean to be critical in any way....more a way for me to learn.
Your numbers look good and your towing experience sounds great. For me, I'm wondering how you run 200k miles on a gas engine without worry? In the old days I figured 1 year was as long as I wanted a vehicle and went through lots. As time went on, and listened to many folks, kept one to 90k. Left me on a side apron trying to repair an electric fuel pump on a weekend trip with a truck full of folks...crappy.
That was my first, only, and last on trying to use any engine past 100k....and that is like a glass ceiling to me. Figure it's more a mental thing for me but I can't comfortably travel/pull with anything that could fail. JMO
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
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12-26-2019, 08:25 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Sacramento
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Anything can fail. You can improve your odds with regular maintenance and a good credit card.
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2019 GMC Sierra 3500 Denali HD 6.6L Duramax TD, CC, 4WD, DRW - "Mr. Beefy"
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12-26-2019, 08:40 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: W. Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkEHansen
Anything can fail. You can improve your odds with regular maintenance and a good credit card.
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Trust me, regular maintenance is my mantra. Credit card? I have many but don't need them.
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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12-27-2019, 05:21 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Joppa, MD
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To my thinking 200k (highway miles, not short trips) on a modern gas engine is doable IF it was maintained religiously and driven properly (also required in an oil burner). Towing is considered "severe duty" and towing regularly I wouldn't trust the gas engine or transmission in a gasser much over 100K. But that's just me, YMMV
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2012 Laredo 303 TG
2010 F250 LT Super Cab, long bed, 4X4, 6.4 Turbo Diesel
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12-27-2019, 07:26 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Boulder City
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Regular maintenance has been key, Oil Changes every 3000 miles, Tire rotations every 6000 miles etc. Staying on top of "small" things before they become major issues has helped tremendously. I have been accused of having OCD when it comes to maintenance and pre trip checkups.
The only major repair has been the rear differential, front suspension components have been replaced, not due to failure, but time/mileage. This motor has been used in everything from Fleet moving trucks to large motor homes.
That being said, we have reached our threshold of comfort in "trusting" another cross country trip in the Suburban. Short local trips are really no concern, but it is time to upgrade. Also, this vehicle was purchased strictly for towing/vacations and road trips and it has been great, except for gas mileage.
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12-27-2019, 09:38 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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When I sold my 1996 F250 with 7.5L gas hog engine it ran like a top. I had fixed every small thing that needed fixing (actually was nothing much or major) and the beast had OVER 250K miles when I got diesel fever and sold it at a profit. Wish I had kept the beast as it was 100 percent reliable and solid and LOVED to visit gas stations as its only shortcoming (held ~40 gallons or regular in the twin tanks). Paid $1700 for it and sold it for $5000 and put about $1500 in the truck while I owned it.
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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12-27-2019, 12:40 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HitFactor
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This might mean a bit more to those viewing if you had a signature with your TV and camper listed.
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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12-27-2019, 02:23 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Henniker
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1617 payload isn’t much. I tow a passport 240BH (newer version of the 2400BH). From that 1617 subtract the weight of the hitch itself (125 lbs), the tongue weight of the trailer (800 lbs - forget the 500 lb factory spec, it’s BS), subtract the weight of a full tank of gas (150-175 lbs) and that leaves you with about 500 lbs for the combined weight of driver, all passengers and anything else carried in the vehicle that wasn’t there when it left the factory. If you are married to the Suburban, put safety before vanity and chose a smaller trailer.
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2019 Passport 240BH SL (for sale)
2024 Cougar 29BHL (Taking delivery 5/11/24)
2022 Ford F250 7.3L Godzilla Crew Cab FX4
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