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05-30-2012, 08:13 AM
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Propane tanks
I recently went on a trip from New Jersey to Viginia. As I was about to go through the Baltimore tunnel I saw the sign for Hazmat restrictions with a picture of what looked like a propane tank. I have seen a few posts about this, but nothing that was clear. having two propane tanks on my Fuzion, do I have to follow these rules and not go through tunnels, etc, or are campers/RVs exempt and this is more for commercial rigs with large quantities.
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05-30-2012, 08:29 AM
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Benrubid,
I would put a call in to the highway patrol and ask. I have had similar questions and just one phone call cleared it up beyond a reasonable doubt. Good luck!
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05-30-2012, 08:32 AM
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This is copied directly from the Maryland State web page:
The Transport of Hazardous Materials Across our Toll Facilities
Code of Maryland Regulations (COMAR) govern the transport of hazardous materials across our toll facilities. Under these regulations, vehicles carrying bottled propane gas in excess of 10 pounds per container (maximum of 10 containers), bulk gasoline, explosives, significant amounts of radioactive materials, and other hazardous materials are prohibited from using the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95) or the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (I-895). The Francis Scott Key Bridge (I-695, the Baltimore Beltway) is a convenient alternative route for crossing Baltimore's Harbor.
Visit the Division of State Documents' website at www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/ to view the actual COMAR regulations: Title 11, Subtitle 7, Chapter 1 (11.07.01).
As stated above use I-695 as a get around. I prefer the western route (Towards Townsend) sp.??? seems shorter and less hills. This will only add about 12 miles to your trip. Always check with the governing authority for any highway restrictions and don't listen to folks that say "My friend does it all the time" or "I do it." If you have my kind of luck YOU WILL GET "In a heap of trouble for sure boy". JM2¢, Hank
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05-30-2012, 09:11 AM
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just made this trip
Just went from SE PA to Cherry Hill CG in DC going down 95. Had to run around the tunnel via 695. Agree that the West route via Townsend is a good route. Some traffic and construction (lanes narrow) but overall OK.
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05-30-2012, 09:58 AM
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The restriction is 10 lbs per cylinder. Unless you are running both tanks very low then you have to go around per the regulations
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05-30-2012, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fla-gypsy
The restriction is 10 lbs per cylinder. Unless you are running both tanks very low then you have to go around per the regulations
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You have to go around unless you you want to be stopped, inspected, asked to prove how much propane is in each container, cause a traffic jam as the state police turn you around at the entrance of the tunnel and face a stiff fine. We live in a post 9/11 world folks ..... explosive materials in tunnels and on bridges is regulated for a reason. It's 12 miles around ..... Why risk it???????
Correction: It is about 21 miles around but only 12 miles longer.
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05-30-2012, 11:33 AM
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YES YOU MUST GO AROUND OR WE WILL SEE YOU WHEN THEY SAY "RV CAUSES MASSIVE TRFFIC JAM.. FILM AT 11" DON'T BE THAT GUY NOTHING WORSE THAN A PIS$# OFF STATE TROOPER!
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05-30-2012, 12:11 PM
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Funny I have used that tunnel 10-15 times over the years and never thought about stopping, I always see others going though as well.
Ron W.
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05-30-2012, 12:35 PM
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It really didn't mention if that was gross or net? If it gross then yes you will have to go around the tunnel. If it is net I really doubt there is 10# of liquid propane in the tank. And again it would not be up to you to prove there is not 10 pounds; it would be up to them to prove there is more than ten pounds. They would then need to check the tank at its present weight and then empty the tank and re-weight it. I have never seen a police cruiser with a propane recovery system on board either. I think the chances are in your favor. However it only takes on overzealous patrolman
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05-30-2012, 12:56 PM
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Have you looked at a propane tank? the tw is the empty weight and a scale will work just fine no need for recovery. and a ticked off trooper is not a good thing. just go around. if your tank is full it has way over 10 pounds in it. so like an over loaded truck yes people do it all the time but when they get caught what i didn't know yatta yatta yatta.
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05-30-2012, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjsurfer
Funny I have used that tunnel 10-15 times over the years and never thought about stopping, I always see others going though as well.
Ron W.
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I exceed the speed limit every day ...... Doesn't make it right.
To the OP ...... If you go through the tunnel and get stopped. Tell the trooper that rjsurfer said it was okay.
The old rules were you could go through if your tanks were turned off and they never checked. The latest rules are stated above. I rest my case.
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05-30-2012, 02:35 PM
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I think there was a major fire in that tunnel
I wouldn't mess with them. If I'm not mistaken, I remember something about a major fire in that tunnel 2-3 years back. Who wants the hassle for 2 gallons of gas...besides..what's wrong with just "doing what's right"?
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05-30-2012, 04:32 PM
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Howdy All;
When I was last employed it was as an Over the Road Truck Driver. The
company that I worked for 'pulled' HazMat as the primary cargo.
The part of the md. Code for Md. that hankpage quoted earlier states;
Code of Maryland Regulations (COMAR) govern the transport of hazardous materials across our toll facilities. Under these regulations, vehicles carrying bottled propane gas in excess of 10 pounds per container (maximum of 10 containers), bulk gasoline, explosives, significant amounts of radioactive materials, and other hazardous materials are prohibited from using the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95) or the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (I-895). The Francis Scott Key Bridge (I-695, the Baltimore Beltway) is a convenient alternative route for crossing Baltimore's Harbor.
That's slightly more than 2 gal of liquid propane the rest of the tank is full of the explosive gasious propane (under pressure), ..... think about that for a moment.
More questions? Call the regional or State Office;
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/conta...eldroster.aspx
Now then, when you start to argue with the trooper, he will invoke the Federal Statues..... Then you will be looking at fines that start in the neighborhood of $12,000.00 minimum......
What's the extra 12 miles of fuel/gas going to cost ??? $10.00 ?????
Just a few things to think about...
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05-31-2012, 01:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hankpage
I exceed the speed limit every day ...... Doesn't make it right.
To the OP ...... If you go through the tunnel and get stopped. Tell the trooper that rjsurfer said it was okay.
The old rules were you could go through if your tanks were turned off and they never checked. The latest rules are stated above. I rest my case.
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It looks like I should take my large "rjsurfer" graphics off the side of the camper
Ron
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05-31-2012, 07:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjsurfer
It looks like I should take my large "rjsurfer" graphics off the side of the camper
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Ron, Thank you for having a sense of humor. I am now stepping down off my soapbox. Hank
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05-31-2012, 07:05 AM
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Howdy All;
I'll climb down off of my , as well...
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05-31-2012, 08:16 AM
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Went out to the garage this morning and looked at my camper, Holy %$&$ someone put RJSURFER Grafics on the side of it ...who coulda done that?
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05-31-2012, 02:19 PM
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Just curious… with more and more vehicles moving to other sources of fuel does this mean a car or truck running on propane would not be able to use the tunnel?
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05-31-2012, 02:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by msp2jxr
Just curious… with more and more vehicles moving to other sources of fuel does this mean a car or truck running on propane would not be able to use the tunnel?
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Yup, that's about the size of it. It would be a no-no for vehicles powered by LPG (propane, butane), CNG, LNG, fuel cell, or any thing else of an explosive or extremely inflammable nature. Least that the way the rules sound like.
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05-31-2012, 02:51 PM
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msp2jxr, Howdy;
Until the regulations permit it my best guess
is ... yep.
Would apply to the cng's (Compressed
Natural Gas), as well.
hankaye
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