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08-22-2018, 02:41 PM
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I gotta ask, mileage towing that monster? I have heard good things about the Ecoboost's towing ability and power, but horror stories about fuel economy when towing, due to constantly having to be in the boost. Like the 10-15 people I have talked to have never reported more than 7 mpg (max), usually around 5 mpg when towing heavy loads. Yours? I can't imagine you will be getting much more than 5-6 towing 7% grades with that large trailer.
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08-22-2018, 02:49 PM
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You know...its a truck, but I get anywhere from 8-10+ on an average after it's all said and done.
Obviously probably 3-4mpg while tackling those long 7-9% grades for miles on end, but than the flats hit and than the mileage creeps up .
You won't believe how it leaves the stop light under load .....pretty cool!
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08-22-2018, 02:56 PM
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I've also talked to this cat who was filling up at a Lives Truck Stop... pulling a 29-30' 5th wheel with a Ram 2500 manual.
He told me most diesel pullers lie big time on their fuel mileage while towing-lol
7-10mpgs isn't bad at all for a heavy load.
Ohh but wait....get a tow tune and holy crap the whole dynamics of the truck change-5* & SCT Tuner.
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08-22-2018, 02:58 PM
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The crazy part is over the road truckers get approx 5-6 MPG pulling 80,000 pounds.
I get 9-10 in my '06 Duramax pulling a 24' enclosed trailer that weighs 10-11,000#'s. I haven't towed my Outback 330RL far enough to know what I'll get with it. It's essentially the same trailer as meaz93*'s trailer, just a different floor plan.
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08-22-2018, 03:08 PM
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Looked at that bad boy, and almost pulled the trigger....outside grill entertainment compartment. [emoji106]
We looked at Grand Design too, which is the spin off company of Keystone (a few CEO's jumped the fence and started their own business-lol)
Great trailers, but for the money you just can't be at the value of the Keystone....Outback!
And one of the most important details....AUTO LEVELING!
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08-22-2018, 03:09 PM
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Just can't beat the value....is what I meant!
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08-22-2018, 03:11 PM
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All I can say is...my 2014 F150 Boost with the max tow /payload package (1 step down from the heavy duty 1/2 ton) pulls my 2018 Keystone Outback 328RL 38' 9k dry effortlessly & smoothly.
WOW! I feel on the top edge pulling a 24' 5500# TT with a 2015 F150 (aluminium) with 5.0, LTs and 2040# payload.
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08-22-2018, 03:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meaz93*
1900#'s w/ Max Trailer Tow Package
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^^^And therein lies the problem for the OP vs your post. He already figures his payload requirements will be 1800#+ and is looking for a way to safely tow his rig and give him some breathing room, not just get a new truck and be maxed out right off the bat.
It appears you are comfortable running right at the limits of your truck and are very impressed by its towing abilities. Rest assured there are lots of trucks that perform as well....and better. As I said in a previous post, a 1/2 ton truck, any 1/2 ton, is not cut out for an 8000 lb. + trailer - they're just not built for that, no matter what a "maximum towing capability" advertisement may say.
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08-22-2018, 03:39 PM
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Dang Danny, he has me ready to run down to the dealer and trade my measly 400 hp 800 ft/lb F350 on an Eco-boost!
Meaz93, are you a Ford salesman?
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08-22-2018, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Badbart56
Dang Danny, he has me ready to run down to the dealer and trade my measly 400 hp 800 ft/lb F350 on an Eco-boost!
Meaz93, are you a Ford salesman?
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Don’t forget he has modified the suspension bags and sway bar, and added a Five Star tune. It will be interesting to see how trans holds up.
To those that have never driven a torbo gas engine the response and power is something else.
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08-22-2018, 04:34 PM
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"Turbos" can do worlds for gas engine performance. Back when it always came with a cost; expense and unreliability. I had 2 Ford SVO products when they initially started offering their "turbo" engines. Great performance compared to other gas engines but don't, don't let the turbocharger or intercooler fail or be prepared to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house. Tried them, had too many shortcomings and decided there is no substitute for cubic inches. Diesel engines are another matter - apples and oranges. I'm sure Ford has perfected their designs by the reviews of EcoBoost owners, but having driven a 2017 2.7L EcoBoost for 2 weeks (rental) they are still plagued by some of the things I didn't like (lag for one).
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08-22-2018, 04:35 PM
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I should be-lol
Just ask my wife!
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08-22-2018, 04:42 PM
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Maybe the exception would be the new Titan 1/2 ton.... ERRR really 3/4 ton-frame & suspension.
But let's hook those 1/2 tons up and head for the elevations.....than well see who'd got the best 1/2 ton towable.
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08-22-2018, 04:44 PM
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Titan 5.0 diesel that is....
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08-22-2018, 05:14 PM
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"I had 2 Ford SVO products when they initially started offering their "turbo" engines."
Danny also had a few of these 2.3 screamers. Quite a car back in the middle 80s. Apparently built to compete with the Beamers back then. But like you noted don't have turbo issues $$$.
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08-22-2018, 05:29 PM
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Bottom line is, at the end of the day, a half to is a half ton. They will never have the capabilities of their 3/4 and 1 ton brethren. For years I made do with half tons, and even some gas 3/4 ton trucks. After moving up to the diesels in the 90's it was pretty obvious what was lacking. Even those older diesels were more efficient than their gas counterparts. And while the new half ton diesels make sense economically, you have to understand they make a little less power than say a 2006 Ram 3/4 ton diesel. And common sense tells you that trying to pull and stop a 9000 lb. load with a less than 5000 truck isn't the best choice. I'll choose to err on the side of too much truck rather than too little. YMMV
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08-22-2018, 05:30 PM
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For towing I'll stick to real truck 3/4 or more with towing not touring engine. As I've said before, let's here from someone that's towed that big rv 50-60k miles over hill & dale with that 3.6 & see how much of it's left.
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08-22-2018, 06:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by travelin texans
For towing I'll stick to real truck 3/4 or more with towing not touring engine. As I've said before, let's here from someone that's towed that big rv 50-60k miles over hill & dale with that 3.6 & see how much of it's left.
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If your referring to my F150 "touring engine"-...well it's a 3.5L>lol
To each their own.
Take one for a spin sometime.
Get your popcorn ready....
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08-22-2018, 06:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meaz93*
If your referring to my F150 "touring engine"-...well it's a 3.5L>lol
To each their own.
Take one for a spin sometime.
Get your popcorn ready....
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I think travelin Texans was pointing out that the 3.5 Ecoboost will need some time to see what's going to happen with it when confronted with heavy towing in harsh conditions for lots of miles. Me, I'm not counting on it. They've perfected diesel engines pretty much. The Ecoboost is the only truck gas engine out there running dual turbos and Ford is trying to make a tiny motor with a "big engine" ability. We shall see. As I said, nothing substitutes for cubic inches.
I would encourage anyone that believes the ecoboost is the be all, end all of towing, to strap 10-12k (whatever Ford says their max tow is) on the back and tow it day in, day out, up hill and dale and see when it fails...because it will (run 50-60k). But wait, when it dies, it's not pistons, rings, crankshaft, valves etc. that you can tear down and replace; no, it will be turbochargers etc. that cost a FORTUNE to replace. To each their own but hey, I like good performance and simplicity. $5-8k of turbochargers sitting on top of the engine so the engine can "act" like a "real" V8 gas engine....that's for someone else. JMO/YMMV and it will.
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08-22-2018, 07:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 66joej
"I had 2 Ford SVO products when they initially started offering their "turbo" engines."
Danny also had a few of these 2.3 screamers. Quite a car back in the middle 80s. Apparently built to compete with the Beamers back then. But like you noted don't have turbo issues $$$.
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Had an '87 "Turbo Coupe" T-Bird with the 2.3. Loved that car but it kept breaking timing belts.
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