"Pre-Failure" Castle Rock Replacements

[hlh1]

Originally Posted by Captainf2

Chuck,
I replaced my Trailer Kings at 3 1/2 years old. Tried Goodyear Endurance they said they didn't make 235/80R16F, only came up to an E load rating, I purchased Carlisle In the G rating, the tire shop is having difficulty with 2 out of the 5 seating the beads, any ideas on getting them to seat, broke down spun tire different rim location and tire areas from the first 3 attempts, 110 psi set pressures, bumped up to 130 and left in the sun.

I hope they used some "tire bead lube" to help seat the bead. With the lube there should not be any trouble.

[wiredgeorge]

When a tire is manufactured, they often put a dot on the tire to indicate the heaviest point. At least on motorcycle tires... not sure rotating a tire to help it mount is the way I would do it. They typically use some water with liquid detergent wiped on the rim to help the bead pop into place and seat. I have never had trailer tires that wouldn't seat. Not sure what that was about.

[JRTJH]

I'm certainly no tire/wheel expert, but different tires require different rim widths based on design. There are also several different wheel rim bead seats that are specific to one type of tire bead molding. Quite often, trying to "seat a tire bead on a wheel that is too narrow or too wide will be difficult and trying to seat a tire bead designed for one specific shape wheel won't seat properly on a different wheel casting.

It could be that the tires they were installing were designed to be used with a different wheel shape ????

Here's one source of that type of information and one drawing depicting two different rim tire bead shapes. There are many other "rim tire bead shapes" as well, so this may not be "your specific rim shape"... Some tires, as I understand it, won't seat on rims not designed for that shape tire bead... https://www.ijisme.org/wp-content/up...0657052614.pdf

[NH_Bulldog]

I agree with John on this, it might be a wheel design issue. Changing tires from LR-F to LR-G on factory aluminum wheels designed for a specific tire and pressure might be part of the problem. Can those wheels handle 130 PSI at ambient temperature? What happens when you go down the road at that pressure and the pressure increases even more?

[gearhead]

You may be a candidate/customer for Performance Trailer Braking. Convert your junk drum brakes to discs in your driveway. Best money I ever spent on a RV.
Gives you a whole nuther experience towing. When you jam on the brakes you STOP.

[gearhead]

Are you referring to the COE campground Benbrook southwest of Ft Worth?
I’ve considered it as a stopover instead of the Winn Casino at Thackerville or Chickasaw NRA near Davis OK. Gimme a quick review of Benbrook please.

[Zixxer2Go]

Originally Posted by gearhead

Are you referring to the COE campground Benbrook southwest of Ft Worth?
I’ve considered it as a stopover instead of the Winn Casino at Thackerville or Chickasaw NRA near Davis OK. Gimme a quick review of Benbrook please.

Sure! Situated on the southwest corner of Benbrook Lake, we find most of the best full hookup spots (minus sewer) are site 70 & above. Campground seems very clean, very quiet, and most sites 70 & above are within about 100 feet or so of the lake. Many sites have tree shading, literally a must in the summer! They have both pull-through as well as back-in sites.

Access from the Interstate is about a 10 min drive through the main street of Benbrook to the turn-off for the campground, then another 4 min drive to the front gate. Hours are from 6am to 10pm...and the access gate is closed right at 10pm, so if you return after closing, you'll have to park in the outer parking lot and walk to your campground!

Water sports, but no real 'beaches'...several launch ramps, but the lake doesn't seem full of boats. If you have the Lifetime Senior Pass, price is cheap...we spent about $100 for a week of camping there! As for us, we would give it a 'highly recommended'

[gearhead]

Originally Posted by Zixxer2Go

Sure! Situated on the southwest corner of Benbrook Lake, we find most of the best full hookup spots (minus sewer) are site 70 & above. Campground seems very clean, very quiet, and most sites 70 & above are within about 100 feet or so of the lake. Many sites have tree shading, literally a must in the summer! They have both pull-through as well as back-in sites.

Access from the Interstate is about a 10 min drive through the main street of Benbrook to the turn-off for the campground, then another 4 min drive to the front gate. Hours are from 6am to 10pm...and the access gate is closed right at 10pm, so if you return after closing, you'll have to park in the outer parking lot and walk to your campground!

Water sports, but no real 'beaches'...several launch ramps, but the lake doesn't seem full of boats. If you have the Lifetime Senior Pass, price is cheap...we spent about $100 for a week of camping there! As for us, we would give it a 'highly recommended'

Sounds pretty good. I’m usually just passing through headed north. As long as it’s clean, has 50 amp, and a couple trees, I’m good with it.

[hondapro87]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Your comment seems to indicate you've never tried to pull that trailer down from 75mph in an emergency situation trying to choose between the car in front of you (and the people inside), a tree (you and your family) or over the edge of the bridge (you and your family). That truck won't pull that much weight down quickly or safely in a bad situation at that speed....not enough brake - btdt. I can say once it happens you won't ask the question again.

The trailer is 37' long and the hinge between it and your 20' +/- truck is the Equalizer hitch. When the 10,500lb., 37' long tail decides it wants to go somewhere due to an unforeseen circumstance it WILL take the 20', 7000lb. (+/-) truck with it - you won't control it. The faster you're going the more damage it's going to cause to you, your vehicles and others.

Speed generates heat, heat destroys tires, the trailer rides on ST tires that may or may not pop at times. Those tire failures may be nothing more than a headache, they could cause thousands in damages to the RV OR the collapse of one tire can lead to the collapse of the 2nd tire on that side if they have been compromised say by....heat (or overloading - were those E rated tires you bought?) - I've seen that. In the event of both of them failing we're back to the previous paragraph as the trailer carries the truck away.

There is nothing, nothing important enough to drive those speeds pulling a trailer...and bumper pulls are worse than 5th wheels. It's too late to say O/S! once it starts happening because it will play out. There are others on the road as well one needs to thing about. JMO and be safe.

This is a great post and is 100 percent true. I had a large travel trailer I sold it and got my 5th wheel now mostly due to the fact that I got tired of dealing with the sway caused by the bow wave effect.
The 5th wheel tows much better than the travel trailer but I still tow at about 65 max.

The problem today is the cars and trucks drive so much better than they. did in the past that alot of people drive alot faster than they should even when not towing. If you blow a tire going 85 in the family sedan you will have your hands full and can quickly turn into a bad issue.

Some people think they have the same car control skills as the top Indy car or Nascar drivers do,the fact is very few people do and a race track is alot different than the hiway.

When towing you are controling 2 separate vehicles at the same time, in a SHTF situation the trailer will push the truck and will go where it wants to.

The faster you drive the less time you have to react to anything that may happen.

[notanlines]

"freeway/interstate speeds are typically minimum 70mph, 75mph in parts of TX, and higher elsewhere."Zixxer, this simply isn't true. Most will have a law against impeding traffic or 45 MPH.

[TXiceman]

Just because the posted speed limit is 70 or 75 mph, does not mean you have to drive that fast. What is posted is the maximum safe speed limit. Some roads also have a minimum speed limit and at times we have had to travel below that speed as the road surface was so bad, it was going to damage the truck or trailer.

My personal feeling is that 65 mph is a reasonable speed for any RV. Yet people blow by us running 75 mph plus with the trailer weaving and bobbing and they are on the verge of losing control.

By slowing down, you will get better fuel economy and longer tire life as well. You will only arrive at the campsite a bit later. Many tires have a manufacturers maximum speed rating. Again, that does not mean you have to travel at that speed, just not over it.

Go ahead and call me an old Foggie, but I am enjoying life.

Ken

[flybouy]

I will admit to being a speed deaemon n in my youth. I didn't drive recklessly weaving thru traffic or drag race in residential neighborhoods. My passion was driving fast on mountain roads at night. Never hit a deer but came very close a few times. I wised up and stopped driving like that after a serious accident.

I was deer hunting in WV with my cousin. He was driving and doing about 45 mph. We slid sideways in the oncoming lane and an elderly man driving a truck at about the same speed plowed into the passenger door. He never lifted his foot off the gas and drove the car sideways up a 6% grade for about 80' bThe impact was so sever the door came into the middle of the car and pushed me into my cousin and he bent his door out several inches.

I've never felt pain like that and hope I never do again. After a LONG ambulance ride to the nearest town with a hospital x-rays revealed my right pelvis was broken into 3 separate pieces, my lower lumbar spine (l1, l2, l3) were crushed, and my kidneys were bruised. Spent 2wks in the hospital there, then they transported to Baltimore because the hospital in WV only had a general surgeon, no orthopedic doctor. I spent several weeks in there before they put a back brace on me and crutches and sent me home.

It took me nearly a year to walk again. The doctor said I healed (amazingly fast) and was fortunate to be young (22 at the time) and that I was large stature (6'3") and those factors likely attributed to my survival. I know this is a long post. I'm just trying to explain how at a relatively low speed the damage that can be done. To me, gaining a few minutes or a few miles just ain't worth the possible consequences. JMHO, YMMV

[travelin texans]

It ceases to amaze that the vehicle darting in/out of traffic all across the lanes at excessive speeds always seems to be the vehicle right in front of me at the next light. They put a lot more work into driving to arrive at the same spot at the same time.

[Zixxer2Go]

It's interesting how my initial post has morphed from "this is my Castle Rock tires experience" to "You're Driving Way Too Fast!"

Former paratrooper in the Army (Jumpmaster), motocross rider, sports car driver, street bike rider, dirt bike rider, weight-lifter, mountain hiker, road and MTB bicycle rider...I'd have to say that driving a trailer at 70mph is easily one of the LEAST risky things I do

I'm sure someone will feel compelled to say "but you're driving among people you could kill!" Well...aren't we all?

But I know that won't stop some of y'all. Feel free, if you must. Probably should change this thread from the "Tires, Tires, Tires!" section to the "My opinion is much more informed and better than yours" thread.

[Kirk's Keystone Outback.]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

It ceases to amaze that the vehicle darting in/out of traffic all across the lanes at excessive speeds always seems to be the vehicle right in front of me at the next light. They put a lot more work into driving to arrive at the same spot at the same time.

I thought that only happens in Florida

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by Kirk's Keystone Outback.

I thought that only happens in Florida

You obviously have never driven in Texas. When I was still on 2 wheels taking my 1980 GS1000G out onto IH10 going west was harrowing. The old bike had an 80 mph gas shortage speedometer and I would keep it pegged and felt like a rolling road block in the slow lane.

[Essvar]

Originally Posted by Zixxer2Go

It's interesting how my initial post has morphed from "this is my Castle Rock tires experience" to "You're Driving Way Too Fast!"

Former paratrooper in the Army (Jumpmaster), motocross rider, sports car driver, street bike rider, dirt bike rider, weight-lifter, mountain hiker, road and MTB bicycle rider...I'd have to say that driving a trailer at 70mph is easily one of the LEAST risky things I do

I'm sure someone will feel compelled to say "but you're driving among people you could kill!" Well...aren't we all?

But I know that won't stop some of y'all. Feel free, if you must. Probably should change this thread from the "Tires, Tires, Tires!" section to the "My opinion is much more informed and better than yours" thread.

I dare you to say the words "Payload" and "Tow Rating" in the same sentence.....

[JRTJH]

Since the thread has deteriorated once again and now has become a "taunt other members into an argument" thread, it serves no useful purpose.

Thread closed.