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Old 01-29-2018, 12:22 PM   #21
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My suggestion: mount the EMS on some rubber grommets to help isolate it from whatever surface you place it on. The unit "hums" and you don't want the mounting surface to act as a sounding board.
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I have not heard any hum from mine and it is just screwed directly to the back wall of the cabinet.

Was I lucky, anyone else have hum?

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Old 01-29-2018, 12:43 PM   #22
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I installed mine under the bed, right next to the transfer switch. Mine doesn't hum at all, so no issues there. The only problem I had installing it was that I'm old.....and had to be a contortionist to crawl into that space and wire it. I installed the display on the carpet covered compartment that is beside the bed, that houses the water heater.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:24 AM   #23
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I know how important a surge/EMS protector is and I have been looking everywhere to find the model that fits my needs and the best price I can find. Wow, they are not giving these things away.

I have looked at both Canadian and US suppliers and the prices are all over the map. The only constant is the strain on my pocketbook. A lot of the US suppliers will not ship to Canada and if a supplier uses UPS or Fedex, I will not buy from them due to the customs charges from those two. USPS is my only way to go.

The 30 AMP portable ones ranged from $137.27 to $503.76 CAD.

The 30 AMP hard wired ones ranged from $312.62 to $412.43 CAD.


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Old 01-30-2018, 07:33 AM   #24
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Hodgy,

Remember that an EMS and a "surge protector" are two different animals.....

A "surge protector" only protects against a voltage spike (like a lightening strike) and is very similar to the old computer electrical plug in strips. An EMS protects against voltage spikes and much more, things like low voltage, phase problems, ground problems, and more. The more things "checked" the more they cost. So, the "key" is to determine what you need/want to cover in your protection and buy a system that does that. On most EMS information sheets there is a comparison chart showing all of their models and a list of what each protects. Typically, the more things checked on the chart, the more expensive the device.

Don't think that buying a "surge protector" will give you the same kinds of protection that a more expensive EMS protector will provide.

You may not feel you need "all the covered protection" and can get by with a less comprehensive model (cheaper) or you may determine that if you're going to spend the money, might as well cover all the damage potential.

But, whatever you choose, make sure it covers what you think it covers. They are all different and it can get confusing.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:43 AM   #25
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Everything I looked at was EMS. Your observations are correct, you want more than just protection a voltage spike. Low voltage (brownout) will sometimes cause more damage to sensitive components that the spike. That is why I have UPS on all of my TV's and computers. I have lived on rural power systems for over 40 years and the quality of power sometimes leaves a bit to be desired.


https://www.amazon.ca/Progressive-In...ords=EMS-HW30C

https://www.amazon.ca/Progressive-In.../dp/B003AL23TC

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Old 01-30-2018, 08:03 AM   #26
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At the price differences from Amazon CA and Amazon USA, it would almost pay for itself to take a vacation "across the border" just to buy tires and a EMS.... At the least, the savings would nearly pay for the fuel for the trip.

Given the exchange rate, maybe not so much, but geez, they sure are "proud" of those EMS's "on your side of the border......
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:11 AM   #27
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Just a thought, if you plan to keep your current rv a long time the hardwired might be cheaper in the long run, if possibly trading get the portable.
I prefer the portable mostly because I'm too large to be crawling into the tiny space to hook it up & I plug it in & the information I'm looking for is right there, I don't have to go inside to check, by the time I've connected the water it's done it's thing & I plug in.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:44 AM   #28
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Given the exchange rate, maybe not so much, but geez, they sure are "proud" of those EMS's "on your side of the border......

Solid gold, not plated.

These are not bad. Some of the stuff I see is ridiculous. Amazon.ca is a rip-off and NAFTA does not help the common Canuck at all.


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Old 01-30-2018, 05:22 PM   #29
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Progressive Industries makes a very solid product. We use the "portable" one at the electric source. But, make sure you lock it up with a chain & lock. Nice target for a thief ....
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From your pictures, it looks like there is a lot of room to mount the EMS on the back wall above that junction box, run the existing yellow ROMEX to the EMS and use new ROMEX to go from the EMS back to your power center. You'd "solve" two problems that way, first, no angle to negotiate with the mounting screws and second, no chance of water leaking into the unit from the adjacent sink.

You may find other locations better suited, but that back wall looks promising.
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I agree the back wall would be the easiest place to mount the EMS. However that is the inside of the outside wall. My understanding the outside walls are only 1/8" lauan on each side. I don't know the weight of the unit, guessing though that it is not insignificant. Do you believe the lauan would be adequate for mounting the EMS given the vibration and shock impact it would be subjected?

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Mine is mounted to the inside of the back wall. There is an aluminum spar that runs vertically adjacent to the electrical connector for the shore power. I used that aluminum spar to anchor 2 of the screws and used the luan to anchor the other two. My Progressive weighs about 2 pounds, it won't budge. If you can locate that spar or another and anchor one side of your EMS to it, you'll never have to worry about it working loose. You should be able to locate the spar by finding the row of 23 ga staples holding the luan to the back wall structure.
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:46 PM   #32
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Has anyone installed this surge protector ?

https://www.amazon.ca/Surge-Guard-35...e+guard+30+amp
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I have no idea about the warranty on that one, but I know the progressive unit has a lifetime warranty.

Mine was displaying the line voltage a little lower than what my multi-meter was showing and Progressive sent me a replacement board.



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Has anyone installed this surge protector ?

https://www.amazon.ca/Surge-Guard-35...e+guard+30+amp
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Think few of us us the Surge Guard, both hardwired and portable, and I know of no issues, mine been in for about three years. In my case I have an on board generator and I think surge guard is the only one that makes a single unit to protect both. A search on the forum will bring up many posts on different protectors, installation options, etc The key is these are a MUST, each type has their own pros and cons.

Added: My remote monitor is basically the same as you have referenced
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Been busy trying to find a good one that I don't have to mortgage my house to buy.

Like someone said earlier on this post, us Canucks "sure are proud" of our surge protectors up here North of 49'.

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Believe me we all look up to our protection devices, worth their weight in Gold !!
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Do a forum search for the TRC Surge Protector/EMS systems. There are a couple of members who reported complaints that the manufacturer doesn't support their system after the warranty, so if you buy one and have a problem with a lightening strike in 4 or 5 years, you've got to buy another system, yours is no longer covered by the warranty. With Progressive, there is a lifetime warranty, so if you have a problem in 4 or 5 years, they'll send you a new unit..... Something to consider if you're planning to own your trailer for a while or if you're planning to use it with your next trailer too......
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:28 PM   #38
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That's good because right now Progressive 30 AMP is the cheapest hardwire unit I can find with a remote monitor.

And yes, you get what you pay for.


I used to work with a guy whose favourite saying was . . .

"Never time to do it right, always time to do it again"


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I've got the 50A Surge Guard from TRC. I've never had any issues with it and it's saved my bacon many times. I don't know what the warranty is but if it died I would buy another one - probably a Progressive but they only had the Surge Guard when I went in to get one and I wasn't going to wait until they got the other in or for one to be ordered.
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At the price differences from Amazon CA and Amazon USA, it would almost pay for itself to take a vacation "across the border" just to buy tires and a EMS.... At the least, the savings would nearly pay for the fuel for the trip.

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Solid gold, not plated.

These are not bad. Some of the stuff I see is ridiculous. Amazon.ca is a rip-off and NAFTA does not help the common Canuck at all.


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Could the price be a combination of exchange rate and GST & PST?
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