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Old 02-22-2017, 07:49 PM   #41
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No matter the outcome of the lively discussions here I will have to walk away with the 250 I ordered a specific truck so it is what it is. I ordered it with the camper package which means it has the same rear springs as a Std. 350. As far as weight in the truck, it is just the wife and I. I have estimated what I will be carrying and calculated it 7 ways to Sunday, at this point I don't believe I will be over the GCWR. It will probably be the middle of the summer before I get the RV. Right now the wife and I like the looks of the 336BHS we are going to a RV show in a couple of weeks and we may find something we like that is a little lighter. I want to thank everyone for their input it is a great mixture of opinion and fact which is what is needed, I just wish I had found this forum a couple of months ago. At the end of the day I am confident I will be towing safely. Again thanks for the discussions.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:11 PM   #42
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They're making you take the truck? Ehhh I don't know about that.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:11 PM   #43
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No matter the outcome of the lively discussions here I will have to walk away with the 250 I ordered a specific truck so it is what it is. I ordered it with the camper package which means it has the same rear springs as a Std. 350. As far as weight in the truck, it is just the wife and I. I have estimated what I will be carrying and calculated it 7 ways to Sunday, at this point I don't believe I will be over the GCWR. It will probably be the middle of the summer before I get the RV. Right now the wife and I like the looks of the 336BHS we are going to a RV show in a couple of weeks and we may find something we like that is a little lighter. I want to thank everyone for their input it is a great mixture of opinion and fact which is what is needed, I just wish I had found this forum a couple of months ago. At the end of the day I am confident I will be towing safely. Again thanks for the discussions.
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You might want to talk to the dealership management. I've never encountered a situation with an ordered vehicle where I was just stuck with it before it ever got there. In fact, in every case, I had the option of rejecting it upon inspection when it arrived.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:29 PM   #44
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Everything everyone else said and this. Most dealerships shouldn't have any problem if you are opting for a similar or (even slightly) more expensive vehicle like the 1 ton. Additionally, moving an f250 should be no trouble for them even if it was special order and they have to trade with another dealer. It's done all the time. Last, many people have to back completely out of special vehicle orders all the time. Times are tough. Just sayin' you have options.
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:11 PM   #45
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My current F250 is a "rejected special order". The gentleman that ordered it special ordered exactly what he "thought" he wanted. When the truck came in, he realized that caribou is brown, he thought it was bronze fire (the copper color). He refused the truck, they reordered another one and put it on the lot for sale. It sat about 2 weeks and I came along, the rest is "history"....

So, I've never "refused a special order truck" but I'm driving a "refusal" and happy to be doing so.

As for the F250/F350 "same or different" discussion. As for the size, both are the same body, as for ride, both use the same "main rear spring assembly", so the ride is the same until you get enough load in the bed to contact the overload springs, then the F350 is a bit rougher and that is easily solved with air bags, so the ride is the essentially the same.

There's no "reason to fear" an F350, if you go to the dealer and test drive both models, you very likely won't be able to tell which is which until you look at the badging on the front fender.
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Old 02-23-2017, 04:08 AM   #46
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We have a Chevy salesman in our RV park and he just snickered when I passed on your story. His exact quote was "Forget that s--t. Just tell them you want to order a 350 instead. It happens all the time." I think all the previous advice is sound. Just talk to management and I'll bet you end up okay.
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Old 02-23-2017, 04:52 AM   #47
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:40 AM   #48
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Tom first of all congrats on your new truck! However, if you have any hesitation at all now is the time to speak up. I spent nearly 20 years in the car business and they will order you another truck and put yours on the lot, it's no big deal. If you get any resistance at all PM me and I'll offer all the help I can.

It's appears the F250 will be up to the task of a 336. Cgvwr is 22000. Max tow is 15000. I'm guessing your payload to be roughly 28-2900 lbs. For reference my 337 has a brochure pin weight of 2200 lbs. With just my wife and my dog, hitch, some firewood, full water, loaded to camp, I put around 3300 lbs on my truck. So you can see you will be right at 10,000 lbs. Your loaded trailer is gonna weigh 12-12500 so your good there with max tow being 15000. I'm guessing you will be around 20-21000 so you should also be under on CGVWR. So I agree with you that you'll be able to do this with an f250. What you would gain with the F350 is the bigger transmission, the Dana rear axle, 1500 lbs of payload, 1000 lbs more CGVWR, and 700 lbs of max tow.

So I'll back you up and say you'll be legal and safe but you will be right at max on payload and close on combined gross. Again if you have any second thoughts call your dealer and get it handled now. But whatever you decide congrats and enjoy your new Super Duty! My new one will be here in about 3 weeks and I can't wait!


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Old 02-23-2017, 08:26 AM   #49
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My second special ordered 2017 F350 just came in yesterday. I ordered the first one Sept and it arrived in January but had an issue with it I did not like so I refused it. I ordered the second one a week later. It just arrived yesterday. The dealer had no problem with me reordering the new one. As stated previously, they put the first one on the lot the day after I refused it without issue.

I have a 2011 F250 CCSB 6.2L gas with the camper & snow plow prep. It has max tow with overload leaf in rear leaf spring pack and rear anti sway bar ("like the F350"). I had a 33' TT that weighed in at almost 8,000 pounds. I pulled it with 4 of us across the county and into and over the Rocky Mountains several times. The F250 was no where near it's limit and it pulled the trailer well. You knew it was back there and the engine had to work on the grades & to get moving but I never had a white knuckle moment or felt it was too much for the truck. It was comfortable. I also pulled a diesel tractor that weighed a little more and it was noticeable. 10,000# is the maximum trailer I would have pulled with that truck.

I purchased a Cougar 336BHS (12,235 GVWR) fifth wheel which is why I ordered the F350. I did order the diesel since I plan more long distance trips but the 6.2 L with the 4.30 is a strong engine and will pull the load just working a lot harder. I have towed "heavy" with an F150 and the F250 and it is not fun for any distance. I feel the extra margin of safety helps make the towing experience better.

Good luck and enjoy your new truck & RV.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:25 PM   #50
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They're making you take the truck? Ehhh I don't know about that.
Sorry if I made it seem as if the dealer is making me take it, that's not the case there are other issues at hand. I bought an Edge from the same Dealer in 2011 off the lot and things started breaking 2 miles down the road, (electronics) it wasn't fixed in 3 days so I asked for my money back and asked them to order me one. They did and it has been the most comfortable vehicle I have ever owned.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:35 PM   #51
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Tom first of all congrats on your new truck! However, if you have any hesitation at all now is the time to speak up. I spent nearly 20 years in the car business and they will order you another truck and put yours on the lot, it's no big deal. If you get any resistance at all PM me and I'll offer all the help I can.

It's appears the F250 will be up to the task of a 336. Cgvwr is 22000. Max tow is 15000. I'm guessing your payload to be roughly 28-2900 lbs. For reference my 337 has a brochure pin weight of 2200 lbs. With just my wife and my dog, hitch, some firewood, full water, loaded to camp, I put around 3300 lbs on my truck. So you can see you will be right at 10,000 lbs. Your loaded trailer is gonna weigh 12-12500 so your good there with max tow being 15000. I'm guessing you will be around 20-21000 so you should also be under on CGVWR. So I agree with you that you'll be able to do this with an f250. What you would gain with the F350 is the bigger transmission, the Dana rear axle, 1500 lbs of payload, 1000 lbs more CGVWR, and 700 lbs of max tow.

So I'll back you up and say you'll be legal and safe but you will be right at max on payload and close on combined gross. Again if you have any second thoughts call your dealer and get it handled now. But whatever you decide congrats and enjoy your new Super Duty! My new one will be here in about 3 weeks and I can't wait!


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Cotus says mine will be here 3/10, only trouble is I will be out of town the following week. The wife says she will be glad to take delivery (LOL). Thanks for you offer of assistance. I to will be glad when it gets here.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:14 PM   #52
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I have that trailer and a 2014 ram 3500. I have weighed my trailer multiple times and the pin is always around 2200. There was zero chance a diesel 2500 was legally towing this unit. The second it was hitched and I get in truck its over the limit. A gasser will buy you a few lbs. It will also buy you a miserable towing experience. I cannot fathom towing this with a gasser. Unless it was down the block. Get a 350 at minimum before you overload the 250 and experience significant buyers remorse.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:24 AM   #53
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Hi all, just wondering if anyone out there tows a Cougar with an F-250. I have ordered an F-250 gasser and am looking an a Cougar 336 BHS the GVWR is 12,235 and the pin weight of 1835. everything appears to be within limits, I know it depends how it is loaded, but I am not new to weight and balance.
This is the exact setup and 5th wheel I pull. 2016 F250 gasser with firestone airbags to level. No issues. I just lock out 6th gear to keep it in the power band.
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This is the exact setup and 5th wheel I pull. 2016 F250 gasser with firestone airbags to level. No issues. I just lock out 6th gear to keep it in the power band.
So, now that it's been a year or two, how is it going for the 2 guys with the 6.2 towing the 336bhs? I'll be joining that exclusive club at the end of the week!

Went with an Andersen hitch (no judging) for weight savings. Cheers!
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Old 09-05-2018, 05:17 PM   #55
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On my 3ed year with this 5th wheel & as with all the different stock trailers I've pulled with it, I've gotten no greef. I bought the truck new & now have 16100. on the unit. The truck has been one of the better ones I've owned. Fit & finish not so grate, but the performance has been fine. As with anything you need to get use to it & learn it's capabilities. Above all just be smart,
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:53 PM   #56
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We ended up getting a Sprinter 334FWFLS instead of the Cougar The weight is similar Have checked the actual camping weight and payload they are close but within limits. Have towed it a couple of times 200 mile trips with no problems. Other than when going up hills, I don't know it's behind me. I just put air bags on the TV to level it. The end of this month I will be doing a 1000 mile trip up the east coast, it will be a good test going up over the NC hills on I-77. I have to say I believe I made the correct choice for me anyway.
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:00 PM   #57
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Hi all, just wondering if anyone out there tows a Cougar with an F-250. I have ordered an F-250 gasser and am looking an a Cougar 336 BHS the GVWR is 12,235 and the pin weight of 1835. everything appears to be within limits, I know it depends how it is loaded, but I am not new to weight and balance.
Well the dry pin listed is only 17.8% of dry weight, that will not tow well. Your looking at 20% to 25% of GVW, based on the 5er payload of 1,910# you will be at at least 11,200# so a pin between 2,240# and 2,800#. How does that fit you weight calculator.
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Well the dry pin listed is only 17.8% of dry weight, that will not tow well. Your looking at 20% to 25% of GVW, based on the 5er payload of 1,910# you will be at at least 11,200# so a pin between 2,240# and 2,800#. How does that fit you weight calculator.



Must be raining HARD up there in Oregon... note the fella has had the set up for a year and seems pleased. Why spread the rain to the OP? Cheer up Oregon!
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Must be raining HARD up there in Oregon... note the fella has had the set up for a year and seems pleased. Why spread the rain to the OP? Cheer up Oregon!
No RAIN that is the issue!
Saw TomD’s last post and sounds like for him he is doing fine.
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