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Old 12-30-2012, 02:58 PM   #1
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Cougar Half Ton

Was just looking at the Keystone 2013 line up and notice they have a new half ton series.

Is there anyone who have purchased or have seen one of these? I am interested in one and would like any info one can share.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:37 PM   #2
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x96mnn -
I haven't looked at Keystone's 2013 Cougar 1/2T line up yet but it would appear that they are still carrying on with their "Half Ton Towable" promotion which began a while back.
Being a bit of skeptic, I look upon the Half Ton Towable advertisement the same way I view their "Arctic/Polar Package" promotions -- a clever advertising ploy which gives the impression that these units are good on their own in prolonged periods of sub freezing temperatures when, in fact, they are not. Not even close.

Our 2008 Cougar 278RKS 5th was advertised as Half Ton Towable and it probably could be towed by today's F150 Ford Ecoboost for example but I'm not convinced that it could be safely towed. There is a difference.

Perhaps some of Keystone's smallest (or smaller) TT's and 5vers may fall into this advertised category but when I see that "Half Ton Towable" sticker on the side of any RV, I am reminded of the saying, "I'm from Missouri", even though I'm from Beautiful BC.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:00 PM   #3
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e purchased a laredo 1/2 ton towable, when we got ot all filled up for a trip I scaled it and I had 4250 on the drives, exactly what my 3/4 ton is rated at!

If you want a 5th wheel you need a 3/4 ton to do it safely!
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:13 PM   #4
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false advertising. I don't have a fifth wheel, but if I upgrade- I'd be getting a 3/4 ton truck first. payload on half ton truck not up to par for that.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:39 PM   #5
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Come on guys .... I've seen a half ton tow the space shuttle. If the 5r is under 300,000 lbs it's no problem. Please let me get by before the next hill. ............... Power is not the problem .. it's payload.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:44 PM   #6
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1/2 Ton RVer

We have a Cougar 26SAB 5th Wheel which we tow with a 2003 F150 7700. To date we have towed the 5er all over the Smokies, Rockies, & San Juan's with no trouble. Granted, at 12,000 feet I'm down to about 35 mph but we are never in a hurry and it seldom takes more than 15 - 20 minutes to get over a mountain pass. Our opinion is that the journey is 50% of the enjoyment of RVing so why rush. Put on 4,000 plus miles in September on a trip from Michigan to the San Juan Mountains, Colorado with an average of 10.0 mpg.

To be fair I do need to say that my F150 7700 is what Ford used to call the "Light Duty 250". It has the 5.4 V8, 3.73 gearing, heavy duty frame, springs, transmission, and 7 lug wheels - 2,670 Lb. payload.

Since we don't do any boon-docking we travel light. Therefore we don't tow with more than 5 -8 gallons of water and utilize local grocery stores rather than hauling a lot of food.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #7
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We have a 2012 cougar xlite 26SAB and have been towing it with a 2008Dodge 4wd quad cab and a 5.7 hemi, 3.55rear end. Have no problem towing it and it does not set the truck down much. I did install timbrins on the truck as the rear springs flex quite a bit-these take the sway out. I do tow mostly on fairly level areas but have been in some fairly large hills(not mountains) and have no problem. It will pull the camper a majority of the time in overdrive. I usually average about 13miles/gal. (Canadian) Have towed it for two summers now.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:11 AM   #8
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e purchased a laredo 1/2 ton towable, when we got ot all filled up for a trip I scaled it and I had 4250 on the drives, exactly what my 3/4 ton is rated at!

If you want a 5th wheel you need a 3/4 ton to do it safely!
Well you suffer from owing a truck built before the "ratings Wars", that 12 valve is capable of a lot more with a little work to the injection pump. With a camper package you have one ton springs, most likely doesn't squat at all.
If you were to look at your GAWR for front and rear and compare to your GVWR there would be a sizable difference!


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We have a Cougar 26SAB 5th Wheel which we tow with a 2003 F150 7700. To date we have towed the 5er all over the Smokies, Rockies, & San Juan's with no trouble. Granted, at 12,000 feet I'm down to about 35 mph but we are never in a hurry and it seldom takes more than 15 - 20 minutes to get over a mountain pass. Our opinion is that the journey is 50% of the enjoyment of RVing so why rush. Put on 4,000 plus miles in September on a trip from Michigan to the San Juan Mountains, Colorado with an average of 10.0 mpg.

To be fair I do need to say that my F150 7700 is what Ford used to call the "Light Duty 250". It has the 5.4 V8, 3.73 gearing, heavy duty frame, springs, transmission, and 7 lug wheels - 2,670 Lb. payload.

Since we don't do any boon-docking we travel light. Therefore we don't tow with more than 5 -8 gallons of water and utilize local grocery stores rather than hauling a lot of food.
This is towing a 5er correctly with an F150, get the big payload and watch your weight. Your 5er is at max a 10,000#, but more likely about 8,000#, really a nice fit.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:34 AM   #9
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Thank you all for your responses and there is some good info here.

My main concern is the quality of the camper. My current Sprinter is much smaller but weighs almost the same and that to me suggest the material used is better.

Little more info on the truck. Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 with 5.7L. Airbags in the back for an extra 1000pd payload which I add because I did not like where the 1500 sat for optimal set-up with current camper as close to 1200pds was on the back. The tires are 17" E rated Michelin for a stronger side-wall and less roll as well the break system was upgraded with a size up rotor, pads and calliper all from Bremo to help with breaking. My current camper at the scale is 7626pds loaded up, (Propane full, fresh water full, nothing in the Grey or Black), and I am under my Factory suggested Max Tow. I do realize all my additions does not change my 9100pd max tow nor do I want to put myself in a position where I am under a 1000pd buffer between my camper weight and my max tow. When the truck was stock my goal was to stay 2000pds under but have comfortably towed close to max on a trip helping a friend move seasonal locations after I had completed my upgrades on a very windy day which may have given me a false sense of security.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:12 AM   #10
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Airbags can not add payload capacity. They only raise the rear end of the tow vehicle. There are already several extensive threads on the issue.
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