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Old 01-13-2018, 03:25 PM   #11
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Darn...ran out of popcorn, gotta pop some more
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:38 PM   #12
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Darn...ran out of popcorn, gotta pop some more

Me too! Between watching these posts and John Wayne in the "Alamo" I've already ran through my normal bowl full.....
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I gotta stop.. need to keep room for the chicken&dumplins in the pot cooking.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:53 PM   #14
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:09 PM   #15
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Hey Frank...You left your coffee on the running board

It was either the coffee or the camera. It was all good.

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Old 01-13-2018, 06:18 PM   #17
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Hi,
Currently considering trading or selling my Keystone Laredo 240MK trailer for a fifth wheel "upgrade" in order to obtain additional seating space inside. I would like to keep the fifth wheel 30' or shorter.
Will the Cougar half ton 25RES be a good choice for weight?
I have a stock Ram 2500 (2015) Short bed with Diesel Cummins. Pulls the current trailer like a dream. And, likely no problem whatsoever pulling the fifth wheel (towing capacity listed at 17,000+ lbs.) however the Payload available is approx. 2,200 lbs. I do not have the hitch yet nor is the Ram prepped for a fifth wheel hitch.
2018 - 25RES states:
Hitch Weight = 1,610 lbs.
Shipping Weight = 7540
Carry Weight = 2460



Thoughts from those experienced members.... on payload issues?
Also looking at the new Grand Design model 230RL as another alternative, which starts at 1,200 lbs pin weight.

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Our set up is very similar to yours. Short answer; yes, you will be close to (maybe slightly over) the max payload with a full load in the 5er. That said I have never noticed any issue pulling, stopping or feeling in any way unsafe with our outfit. Consider an Anderson 5th wheel hitch to save weight. Keep your basement load as light as reasonably possible and the load in the truck to a minimum. Go to the scales and get your weights so you know the real numbers.
You are asking for real world answers from folks pulling a mid-size 5th wheel with a Ram 2500 and 6.7 Cummins diesel.
IMHO and 20k miles experience I'd say you'd be just fine.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:10 PM   #18
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Hi,
Currently considering trading or selling my Keystone Laredo 240MK trailer for a fifth wheel "upgrade" in order to obtain additional seating space inside. I would like to keep the fifth wheel 30' or shorter.
Will the Cougar half ton 25RES be a good choice for weight?
I have a stock Ram 2500 (2015) Short bed with Diesel Cummins. Pulls the current trailer like a dream. And, likely no problem whatsoever pulling the fifth wheel (towing capacity listed at 17,000+ lbs.) however the Payload available is approx. 2,200 lbs. I do not have the hitch yet nor is the Ram prepped for a fifth wheel hitch.
2018 - 25RES states:
Hitch Weight = 1,610 lbs.
Shipping Weight = 7540
Carry Weight = 2460

Thoughts from those experienced members.... on payload issues?
Also looking at the new Grand Design model 230RL as another alternative, which starts at 1,200 lbs pin weight.

Thanks, Rob
I have a similar 5th wheel about the same weight pulling with my 2500 5.7 hemi. I have air bags but honestly don’t need them. Of course your truck will have no problem pulling it or stopping it but technically you will be over payload. I was over about 600lbs fully loaded last trip with family, dog etc, but well under the combined weight rating and axle ratings. You’ll be fine
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:15 AM   #19
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I have a similar 5th wheel about the same weight pulling with my 2500 5.7 hemi. I have air bags but honestly don’t need them. Of course your truck will have no problem pulling it or stopping it but technically you will be over payload. I was over about 600lbs fully loaded last trip with family, dog etc, but well under the combined weight rating and axle ratings. You’ll be fine
Canonman your smart to ask before you upgrade and like was said previously only you can make the decision re safety on weights and ratings. I would strongly recommend getting actual pin wt. for the unit(s) your looking at and take into consideration the location and capacity of holding tank(s) as they commonly are located on underbody near the pin on 5th wheel trlrs. and can add up signifacantly especially if boondocking and unable to empty before traveling, times like this are when airbags or other overload devices on TV are essential for maintaining stock (safe) ride height. Like you I had a 3/4 t diesel 4x4 crew cabed TV which pulled the 35' light wt. (1500#pin12k#gvwr) 5er TH fine with addition of airbags on TV. Then I swapped that 5er for 38' TH with slides which was supposed to have 2200# pin which turned out to actually have a 3k# pin wt. when wet which pushed me out of rawr by and gvrw.The TV pulled the TH up and down a 9 mile 10% grade in Sierras to favorite 8k elevation camp site without issues (thank God for speed brakes and tow haul mode).
Needless to say a new 1t drw diesel double cab TV solved the over weight problem but created a host of others mainly in maneuverability, parking and DW complaining about not needing a new $60k truck (compromises).
Another consideration is to keep your fifth wheel hitch weight to a minimum, I have used a popular 40# 5th to gooseneck hitch which might be a solution for you especially since your cargo weight capacity is low, this solution also saves worn out backs like mine when r&ring hitch. Warning some trlr frame mnfg. warranties might be effected by GN hitch. Good luck with your decision.
Happy camping Canonman.

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Old 01-14-2018, 04:15 AM   #20
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You might also check your GVWR on your truck. Load it up as you think you'd be in camping mode and weigh it, then check that against your GVWR, that should also give you a good idea how much weight you can carry by comparing that to your payload rating. As far as hitches, I think pullrite superlight makes a lightweight 64lbs hitch but isn't a slider, its rated for 20K.
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