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05-16-2019, 01:17 PM
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BC License to tow over 4600 kgs
Just a heads up to RVers in BC. If your RV is heavier than 4600kgs (10000lbs) you need a code 07 endorsement on your drivers license to legally tow and insure the RV in BC. Quite a bit involved to get this endorsement.
Log onto ICBC and put "towing an rv over 4600 kgs." for more info.
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05-16-2019, 02:41 PM
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Does that apply to tourist from the USA too?
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05-16-2019, 08:02 PM
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No, Generally as long as you are properly licensed for you residence area, you are good to go.
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05-17-2019, 02:13 AM
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05-17-2019, 05:46 AM
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GVW on a trailer seems a little difficult to verify if you get pulled over. Wouldn't they have to take portable scale readings with and without the trailer attached to figure the hitch/pin weight to add to the axle weights? I suppose if they were using portable scales, they could detach and read it directly.
[EDIT] As much as I have a general dislike for any government requirements and regulations, I looked over the training material for their "house trailer endorsement" and it might not be a bad idea for it to be required reading for everyone. Saved a copy to my desktop.
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05-17-2019, 06:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjrelander
GVW on a trailer seems a little difficult to verify if you get pulled over. Wouldn't they have to take portable scale readings with and without the trailer attached to figure the hitch/pin weight to add to the axle weights? I suppose if they were using portable scales, they could detach and read it directly.
[EDIT] As much as I have a general dislike for any government requirements and regulations, I looked over the training material for their "house trailer endorsement" and it might not be a bad idea for it to be required reading for everyone. Saved a copy to my desktop.
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I bet they mean GVWR. That figure is on the data plate at the front DS of every trailer, so no scale needed.
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05-17-2019, 06:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
I bet they mean GVWR. That figure is on the data plate at the front DS of every trailer, so no scale needed.
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That's what I though too. Would be a lot easier to enforce. That link that Jim posted specifically calls out (and defines) trailer GVW though.
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05-17-2019, 06:51 AM
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No they do not mean gvw, it is actual weight. My opinion, and i have not heard of any enforcement, is that until you have run afoul of the law in some other manner, it would be then employed as another stick to beat you with.
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class 4 = first level commercial ( taxi/ bus driver)
Class 5= regular licence
Class 7=learners licience
How much weight can be towed with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence? A Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence allows you to tow a trailer weighing up to 4,600 kg gross vehicle weight (GVW). GVW refers to the combined weight of the towed vehicle (trailer) and its load. If a trailer weighs 4,000 kg when empty you may tow the trailer with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence. However, once you load the trailer with food, water and/or other items the GVW may exceed 4,600 kg.
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05-17-2019, 04:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brentw
No they do not mean gvw, it is actual weight.
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Actually they do mean max trailer weight, they use that so they don't have to have scales at road side inspection. if your max GVW of your trailer is over the weight then you need some one to go with you to your testing or your holidays who has the endorsement. I had a friend who went with me so I would be legal.
the road test is plain and simple easy if you have been driving a trailer for a bit, but the walkaround takes a bit more prep. they took commercial walkaround and applied it to a Rv so there is a lot of things you wont know about checking or such unless you take the time to study, oh and treat the examiner as if they are dense, say everything you are looking at and if you are checking the same things at several locations, you have to repeat it at each location instead of saying I am going to check this one every tire...…..
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05-18-2019, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Stircrazy
Actually they do mean max trailer weight, they use that so they don't have to have scales at road side inspection. if your max GVW of your trailer is over the weight then you need some one to go with you to your testing or your holidays who has the endorsement. I had a friend who went with me so I would be legal.
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Good info about the road test.
I agree that locally they may be using GVWR as an indication of GVW, ( after all how much weight can be shed from a 15k gvwr house trailer) but it is quite clear in the regs.
This is right out of ICBC FAQs
How much weight can be towed with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence? A Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence allows you to tow a trailer weighing up to 4,600 kg gross vehicle weight (GVW). GVW refers to the combined weight of the towed vehicle (trailer) and its load. If a trailer weighs 4,000 kg when empty you may tow the trailer with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence. However, once you load the trailer with food, water and/or other items the GVW may exceed 4,600
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05-19-2019, 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brentw
Good info about the road test.
I agree that locally they may be using GVWR as an indication of GVW, ( after all how much weight can be shed from a 15k gvwr house trailer) but it is quite clear in the regs.
This is right out of ICBC FAQs
How much weight can be towed with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence? A Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence allows you to tow a trailer weighing up to 4,600 kg gross vehicle weight (GVW). GVW refers to the combined weight of the towed vehicle (trailer) and its load. If a trailer weighs 4,000 kg when empty you may tow the trailer with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence. However, once you load the trailer with food, water and/or other items the GVW may exceed 4,600
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ya that what I read also, but here they seamed to be more interested with the max weight instead of the actual weight. and they said you had to have one that was over the weight to do the test. maybe that's just my branch going there own way.
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05-17-2019, 07:08 AM
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Same in Manitoba except there is no endorsement you need a class 1,2 or 3 to pull a recreational trailer over 10,000 lbs and it is GVW as well not GVWR. license classes here are as follows.
Class 1: Semi-Truck Trailers (your standard big rig)
Class 2: Large Passenger and School Buses.
Class 3: Heavy Equipment Trucks and Large Trailer Towing.
Same as BC with a government insurance program in place you cannot insure your trailer unless you posses one of these licences.
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05-17-2019, 10:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 66joej
Just a heads up to RVers in BC. If your RV is heavier than 4600kgs (10000lbs) you need a code 07 endorsement on your drivers license to legally tow and insure the RV in BC. Quite a bit involved to get this endorsement.
Log onto ICBC and put "towing an rv over 4600 kgs." for more info.
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I'm glad you brought this up. I actually called ICBC on this a few weeks ago to see what's involved, and got really screwy answers.
From what the lady said, I'd have to go back to a "N" for some time. I really think she had something screwed up.
But the big question I have is with the road test. I have a trailer with 8200 lbs GVWR, but I could not use it for the road test. I'd have to be tested on a trailer over 10,120 lbs (4,600 kg, sorry I'm old and still think in terms of lbs).
What I'm looking at for a new trailer (Cougar 33SAB) would be 10,500 GVWR.
But, reading this
https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensin...creational.pdf
" How much weight can be towed with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence?
A Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence allows you to tow a trailer weighing up to 4,600 kg gross vehicle weight (GVW). GVW refers to the combined weight of the towed vehicle (trailer) and its load. If a trailer weighs 4,000 kg when empty you may tow the trailer with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence. However, once you load the trailer with food, water and/or other items the GVW may exceed 4,600 kg. "
They are clearly going by GVW and not GVWR. So if I get a trailer that's 10,500 GVWR and don't load it quite full, it would be under the weight and I'd be fine.
I wonder if I would be able to license it or not.
I agree that the concept is a good one, but like most thing government, the implementation lacks common sense.
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05-17-2019, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GMcKenzie
I'm glad you brought this up. I actually called ICBC on this a few weeks ago to see what's involved, and got really screwy answers.
From what the lady said, I'd have to go back to a "N" for some time. I really think she had something screwed up.
But the big question I have is with the road test. I have a trailer with 8200 lbs GVWR, but I could not use it for the road test. I'd have to be tested on a trailer over 10,120 lbs (4,600 kg, sorry I'm old and still think in terms of lbs).
What I'm looking at for a new trailer (Cougar 33SAB) would be 10,500 GVWR.
But, reading this
https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensin...creational.pdf
" How much weight can be towed with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence?
A Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence allows you to tow a trailer weighing up to 4,600 kg gross vehicle weight (GVW). GVW refers to the combined weight of the towed vehicle (trailer) and its load. If a trailer weighs 4,000 kg when empty you may tow the trailer with a Class 4, 5 or 7 (novice) driver’s licence. However, once you load the trailer with food, water and/or other items the GVW may exceed 4,600 kg. "
They are clearly going by GVW and not GVWR. So if I get a trailer that's 10,500 GVWR and don't load it quite full, it would be under the weight and I'd be fine.
I wonder if I would be able to license it or not.
I agree that the concept is a good one, but like most thing government, the implementation lacks common sense.
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Government and common sense cannot be used in the same context. Meant to be funny not political.
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05-23-2019, 11:01 AM
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This is not true at this time. The province or state that you drive into honors the class of licenses from your home.e state or province. In other words you do not have to change or amend your license when traveling.
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05-23-2019, 12:52 PM
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And whatever you do, don’t go over the posted speed limit. The posted limit is serious. Around here, California, many drivers, towing or not, seem to feel the posted limit is a suggestion. They ticket, even visitors, and at a fairly low number over the limit will impound your vehicle. Drive safely!
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05-23-2019, 01:12 PM
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Ellen, you had me until you got to the "at a fairly low number over the limit will impound your vehicle" part. I would need some back-up to cover that statement I believe. If I was speeding at 65 in a 55, and ticketed, give me any particular reason how California or any county would benefit by impounding my vehicle.
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05-23-2019, 04:04 PM
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The very polite policewoman who pulled over my sister on Vancouver Island said if she had been going 2km faster the vehicle would have been impounded. She had sped up to pass a slower vehicle. Don’t think Hertz would have liked that! I guess they are serious about the speed limit and the inconvenience and expense of retrieving an impounded vehicle would make you think twice about exceeding the speed limit.
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05-24-2019, 03:33 AM
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Ellen, I don't believe you and I disagree on the premise of impoundment, just on the severity of the offense required to bring about the action.
From https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/t...le-impoundment
"Police are required to impound vehicles driven by unlicensed, under-licensed, prohibited and suspended drivers; street racers and stunt drivers; excessive speeders; many alcohol affected drivers; certain motorcycle offenders; and other unsafe motor vehicle operators. The impoundment period depends on the nature of the infraction and may escalate for vehicle owners with prior impoundments."
The site infers that if a vehicle is traveling 60km over the limit the fine is $500 and possible impoundment because of 'excessive' speeding.
I've gone long on this subject, but one more thing: If I thought my F450 could tow my Suites (20K) 100MPH on I-40 with the 4:30 gears....well, the ticket AND the impoundment would give me 'a story to tell!'
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05-19-2019, 07:01 PM
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Ya, I imagine that's what they will use here, no govt scales in service for 100 kms.
No mater to me, just recieved my drivers medical, and assuming I pass ,will maintain class 1 for 5 more years.
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