Oil Filters

Desert185 · 08-04-2017, 08:16 AM

Had to go to the big city yesterday and took advantage of the situation to stop by Cummins for a few oil filters for the shelf at home. The counter guy mentioned that it was good that I was buying Cummins Fleetguard filters, as they've been seeing aftermarket filter failures. He specifically mentioned Quaker State filters coming apart and clogging oil passages.

You folks who go to "Oil Change R Us" for oil changes instead of the dealer or reputable independent, bring your own filter so you don't suffer the effects of the cheapo filters...Fram included, BTW.

FWIW...

kfxgreenie · 08-04-2017, 10:06 AM

Only Mopar or Fleetgaurd filters see my truck. These two go in next month.

zuley · 08-04-2017, 10:49 AM

Even though I sold the Mopar line of Filters I was always a fan of Fram for my own toys. The power of advertising I guess. A number of years back I went to one of our yearly wholesale conferences where big brother would bring in various suppliers to spew off before we were allowed to drink. Well, one year we had our filter manufacturer come in. He brought with him probably half a dozen of the competition filters cut open to show us the internal construction of each. For the most part the manufacturer filters, Mopar, Motorcraft, AC Delco etc are all made in the same plant with a different painted can. What I refer to as the aftermarket or jobber filters were certainly made to a lesser quality and standard than the OE filters. ie can thickness, valving, media thickness, etc. I was a young buck back then full of piss and vinegar and the next week took a box full of cut open filters around with me to my wholesale accounts. Within 6 weeks I was selling more of my OE Mopar filters in my territory than every one else combined. Have always maintained using a quality OE filter and an oil change every 5000 km is the cheapest insurance you can buy to keep an engine running and healthy. You want to save 4 bucks on an oil filter go ahead, you'll pay for it in the long run.

**hankpage** · 08-04-2017, 01:07 PM

Nothing but Mopar or Fleet guard for my trucks and Mopar or Napa gold (Wix) for our cars for as long as I can remember. I picked up a couple of Frams for one of my Generacs ..... What a mess two quarts of oil makes when the filter ruptures.

I can not imagine what three gallons of diesel oil would look like in the driveway. I would have to paint my pavers black. The spare Fram filter went in the trash, brand new in the box. If I could not afford a good filter and oil I would rather go a few thousand more miles until I could. JM2¢, Hank

Desert185 · 08-04-2017, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hankpage

Nothing but Mopar or Fleet guard for my trucks and Mopar or Napa gold (Wix) for our cars for as long as I can remember. I picked up a couple of Frams for one of my Generacs ..... What a mess two quarts of oil makes when the filter ruptures.

I can not imagine what three gallons of diesel oil would look like in the driveway. I would have to paint my pavers black. The spare Fram filter went in the trash, brand new in the box. If I could not afford a good filter and oil I would rather go a few thousand more miles until I could. JM2¢, Hank

Ditto. Napa Gold for the other vehicles.

For Cummins Fleetguard, there is a Stratapore and a non-Stratapore. The Stratapore has a synthetic media that is supposed to be superior for only a few bucks more. I think the Mopar is a non-Stratapore...and probably more expensive.

**chuckster57** · 08-04-2017, 01:50 PM

I run the motorcraft filter, and I run the PSD filter on my IDI as it adds 1 qt to capacity.

Olsen29 · 08-07-2017, 11:33 AM

I lost a good 383 circle track motor because of a Frame filter.
The internal collapsed and cut the oil flow, then spun a main bearing. I was able to machine the crank and put in a new set of bearings but I threw away all my Fram junk and use wix or Napa gold.

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the sodfather · 08-07-2017, 02:26 PM

I've had good luck with the K&N in the past. I really like the nut welded to the bottom for easier removal.

CaptnJohn · 08-07-2017, 03:00 PM

Read recently on a Ford site about Fram. The light paper has been known to let loose and end up where it should never see.

bsmith0404 · 08-07-2017, 03:44 PM

For my duramax I use Baldwin oil filters, Napa Gold on the FASS system and Racor/AC Delco for the OE fuel filter. The Allison only gets the Allison spin on. Napa Gold or Wix for the oil on the other cars. The best part, all of these filters are at or near the top of the list for quality and filtering capabilities and they are all reasonably priced. I used to use Mobil 1 or K&N oil filters (same filter), but the caracteristics of the Baldwin and Napa Gold are similar/caparable for 1/2 the price.

Banshee365 · 08-08-2017, 10:45 AM

Oil filters are easy. OEM. Period. This could include Fleetguard for Cummins or Racor for Navistar Powerstrokes and such. But, personally, I don't care what your loyalty is to brands like NAPA or WIX, it's all crap in my mind. OEM or nothing. If you havn't had problems with an aftermarket filter that's fine. OEM filters are so easy because most of them are even right on the Wal-Mart shelf.

bsmith0404 · 08-08-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Banshee365

Oil filters are easy. OEM. Period. This could include Fleetguard for Cummins or Racor for Navistar Powerstrokes and such. But, personally, I don't care what your loyalty is to brands like NAPA or WIX, it's all crap in my mind. OEM or nothing. If you havn't had problems with an aftermarket filter that's fine. OEM filters are so easy because most of them are even right on the Wal-Mart shelf.

I look at micron filter ratings and internal construction. Even many of the OEM filters are not great. They are built to meet minimum standards. Aftermarket companies such as Wix and Baldwin are in business because they designed and built a better widget, Fram is in business because they built a cheaper widget. Actually many filters are made by the same manufacturers and many built to the same specs. There is even such a thing as too good. Bosch ran into some problems at one point of having too small of a micron rating and would plug up on some vehicles causing other problems. There's a lot of great info on the net about filters and many comparison testing. Bobs the oil guy website always makes for good reading.

rhagfo · 08-08-2017, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the sodfather

I've had good luck with the K&N in the past. I really like the nut welded to the bottom for easier removal.

If you installed the spin on correctly, you should be able to remove by hand. Never need a wrench on one I installed.

bsmith0404 · 08-08-2017, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rhagfo

If you installed the spin on correctly, you should be able to remove by hand. Never need a wrench on one I installed.

I never needed one on gas motors, but I do need a wrench to remove them from all of the diesels I've changed. Not sure if it's extra heat sealing the rubber gasket better or what.

gearhead · 08-10-2017, 06:49 PM

Bobistheoilguy.com is good reading for filters and oil.
I tried to always run Baldwin on 30,000 rpm Sundyne pumps at work.
Oem on the Grand Cherokee and Fleetguard on the Ram.
Wix on the Generac 20kw backup gen and Fram on nothing. Although the Ultraguard may be pressed into service on the lawn mower.

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