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Old 08-10-2018, 10:44 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Javi View Post
So, technically I could use these for tires.. Defender LTX M/S - Size: LT245/75R16 120/116 3042 lbs. They are roughly (30.4") the same diameter and width as the OEM

Still 884 lbs. more than the axle limit 3042 x 2 = 6084
"Like said above... don't need 3420 tires... since the wheels are only 3200... and really... even 3200 is overkill since the axles are the weak link at 5200.."

The problem is twofold. Minimum safety is the trailer manufacturer's decision and to top it off they must certify their decision.

The LT tire you suggest could have also been the trailer manufacturer's decision. We can only second guess why in wasn't used. Surely it wasn't because of availability, it's a widely used size and design and very capable of supporting 5200# axles.

Here in this statement from the tire manufacturer is another problem. It's not just Michelin, it's an industry wide standard that supports all vehicle manufacture Original Equipment selections displayed on federal certification labels.

"Michelin: Never choose a tire that is smaller in size or has less load-carrying capacity than the tire that came with the vehicle."

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Old 08-10-2018, 11:44 AM   #12
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In another recent thread, I think the "real reason" was revealed as to why Keystone and other manufacturers make many of the decisions they make. It's about the cost of the component as much as it is about the suitability of the component. There is a discussion of why Dexter retained the 4400 lb axle after buying ALKO. The statement that was related to the poster by Dexter is because it was a "profitable axle system" and that "replacement parts are more than double the price of the 5200 pound axle parts".... He went on to say that since the axle fails often, it's a "cash cow" for the company, so they keep producing it.

Whether any of that is true is something I can't substantiate, but if the axle "works with the GVW/tires/wheels and meets mandatory minimums, if there are two choices, one costing $100 and the other costing $125. I think we all know which axles would be installed. Same for springs, tires, wheels, stoves, refrigerators, mattresses, TV's, stereo, door systems, windows (and the list goes on and on until the trailer is delivered to the dealer for sale)....

It's about money while meeting minimum requirements, not about what makes the most sense to a buyer or to his satisfaction. After all, it seems the attitude in Elkhart/Goshen is, if you don't buy it, someone else is waiting with cash in hand to put down a deposit.....


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Old 08-10-2018, 01:11 PM   #13
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Yeah... I deal with the cost thingy daily when designing.. But I do try to make some sense in what I choose...

But this is why we're thinking of selling this trailer and moving up to one with 7K axles and a 12" drop frame.. Just need to make up our minds before spending the money for wet bolts and new tires... Tires are just two years old, but we had one get a fencing staple in it last year and I had to buy a Goodyear Endurance at the moment...

So before we begin our camping season in a month or two I need to decide on buying one Carlisle to match the three I have now and move the Endurance to the spare or buy four new Endurance and move the used one to the spare...



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