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11-02-2019, 07:55 PM
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Payload and axle ratings
Trying to get crystal clear on my payload.
Sticker on truck says max gvwr 10,000 lbs
Gawr front: 6000 lbs
Gawr rear: 6500 lbs
Truck scaled at
Front: 5220
Rear: 3320
Total: 8540
So is my payload really only 1,460lbs even though I have way more room on the axles?
There is a payload sticker on the truck with the tire into that says max payload 1,573 lbs.
Seems so low for 2500 truck.
Am I unfortunately reading this all correctly?
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11-02-2019, 08:48 PM
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The payload isn't just what the axles can carry, but how much the brakes can stop. The engineers have decided that those numbers are the maximum that all the parts the truck is built with, brakes and suspension parts along with the frame and other structural parts that can safely be carried and be stopped safely.
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11-02-2019, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KSH
Trying to get crystal clear on my payload.
Sticker on truck says max gvwr 10,000 lbs
Gawr front: 6000 lbs
Gawr rear: 6500 lbs
Truck scaled at
Front: 5220
Rear: 3320
Total: 8540
So is my payload really only 1,460lbs even though I have way more room on the axles?
There is a payload sticker on the truck with the tire into that says max payload 1,573 lbs.
Seems so low for 2500 truck.
Am I unfortunately reading this all correctly?
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Yes, you are reading that right. Thats the issue with a 3/4 ton diesel truck. They really are not a good choice for 5th wheels if you want to be within ALL specs.
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11-03-2019, 03:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KSH
Trying to get crystal clear on my payload.
Sticker on truck says max gvwr 10,000 lbs
Gawr front: 6000 lbs
Gawr rear: 6500 lbs
Truck scaled at
Front: 5220
Rear: 3320
Total: 8540
So is my payload really only 1,460lbs even though I have way more room on the axles?
There is a payload sticker on the truck with the tire into that says max payload 1,573 lbs.
Seems so low for 2500 truck.
Am I unfortunately reading this all correctly?
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Yes, you are reading that correctly. Unfortunately, that is the Achilles heel issue with almost every 3/4T Diesel truck, although your is considerably lower than my previous truck, which was a 3/4T F250 CrewCab, Diesel, 4x4. That one had a payload of 2148 lbs......but still way too low for any kind of decent size 5ver camping trailer.
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11-03-2019, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbecky
The payload isn't just what the axles can carry, but how much the brakes can stop. The engineers have decided that those numbers are the maximum that all the parts the truck is built with, brakes and suspension parts along with the frame and other structural parts that can safely be carried and be stopped safely.
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How's your 3/4 ton chevy holding up pulling a 16K Montana with a 2,400 lb pin weight? I would think it is doing just fine.
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11-03-2019, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank G
How's your 3/4 ton chevy holding up pulling a 16K Montana with a 2,400 lb pin weight? I would think it is doing just fine.
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If you are pulling a 16k Montana the pin weight is more like 3200+ lbs. At the very least you are beating up your truck.
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11-03-2019, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KSH
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So is my payload really only 1,460lbs even though I have way more room on the axles? Brochure weights hardly ever coincide with the certified weights on your attachments. They are for your truck only.
There is a payload sticker on the truck with the tire into that says max payload 1,573 lbs.
Seems so low for 2500 truck.
Am I unfortunately reading this all correctly? YES!
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The manufacturers of trucks like yours MUST provide load capacity reserves. Almost all of them do it with GAWR axle loads. Loading to the GAWRs is the most common and gross mistake owners of such trucks make when towing heavy.
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11-03-2019, 07:34 AM
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I did a bit more research, looks like all trucks in this class max out at 10,000 lbs to stay in their class ratings.
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11-03-2019, 08:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KSH
I did a bit more research, looks like all trucks in this class max out at 10,000 lbs to stay in their class ratings.
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That was true until the introduction of the 2020 GM 2500 series. The Silverado 2500 GVW is advertised as 10,650 https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/sil...tyleOne=405288 so the "I always thought the limit was 10,000 pounds on 3/4 ton trucks" must have found a loophole if GM is advertising 10,650 as the "new GVW for 2500's".....
I'm not sure if Fiat and Ford will follow the same increase or if they will "remain steadfast at 10,000 pounds and "let GM have the greater payload numbers"....
ADDED: On the Chevrolet.com website, the GVW for the Silverado 2500 is listed at 10650 in the link above, but on the "capabilities specs" on another page (1 click away) the "max GVW" is listed at 10350.... Who knows what's going to be on the "yellow sticker on the doorpost" ????
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11-03-2019, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JRTJH
That was true until the introduction of the 2020 GM 2500 series. The Silverado 2500 GVW is advertised as 10,650 https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/sil...tyleOne=405288 so the "I always thought the limit was 10,000 pounds on 3/4 ton trucks" must have found a loophole if GM is advertising 10,650 as the "new GVW for 2500's".....
I'm not sure if Fiat and Ford will follow the same increase or if they will "remain steadfast at 10,000 pounds and "let GM have the greater payload numbers"....
ADDED: On the Chevrolet.com website, the GVW for the Silverado 2500 is listed at 10650 in the link above, but on the "capabilities specs" on another page (1 click away) the "max GVW" is listed at 10350.... Who knows what's going to be on the "yellow sticker on the doorpost" ????
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Yep, noticed that the other day. I am browsing trucks right now and saw this gorgeous 2020 2500 HD with their new 6.6L gasser. One of the pics in the gallery was of the door sticker (very rare to include that). Truck had a GVWR of 10,450 and its payload was 3,420. Was very impressed, since all of the 6.4L RAMs I have been browsing have been 3,017, 3,050, 3,035. Making me strongly consider the Chevy, though I cannot get a gently used one of those yet.
https://www.spitzerlordstown.com/Veh...-OH/3528678933
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11-03-2019, 10:40 AM
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Gegrad,
That's a nice looking truck. I like how GM has incorporated foot holes in the front of the bed. It sure makes getting things out of the bed much easier. I wonder how they will hold up to ice covered roads? Whether they'll be usable in the winter or fill with ice and road slush ???
Looking at the "weight limits/trailer limits sticker" it looks like GM has done some "changing and adding" to the information normally provided. Max tongue weight for a "bumper hitch" and max pin weight for a "gooseneck/fifth wheel" are provided. I can see the "bumper max weight" which would be based on the receiver's rating. But, to establish a max pin weight would be dependent on the hitch installed and since there's nothing in the bed of that truck (OEM Platform) the underbed fifth wheel/gooseneck system.... Based on the rating on the payload is 3420, but the max pin weight is 2490. That leaves 930 pounds for "cargo and passengers"... I wonder how they calculated that as a max rather than allowing for 3000 pounds of pin and only 420 for "other stuff" ???
I'm just guessing here, but I can see some legal issues when a single driver with no cargo gets "checked" and has a fifth wheel pin weight of 2900 pounds and.... <wait for it> "The sticker says the max is 2490"....
There's going to be a "learning curve" in interpreting the new sticker as well as the 10,450 GVW.....
Anyway, it looks like a nice truck, just WOW on $52,075 MSRP....
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11-03-2019, 12:01 PM
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"just WOW on $52,075 MSRP...."
And to that MSRP start adding delivery, dealer prep, paint protectant, fabric protectant, rust inhibitors, taxes, tag, title, salesman's Kids orthodontic mills, salesman's girlfriends penchant's for "hush" money, Yada, Yada, Yada........
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11-03-2019, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flybouy
"just WOW on $52,075 MSRP...."
And to that MSRP start adding delivery, dealer prep, paint protectant, fabric protectant, rust inhibitors, taxes, tag, title, salesman's Kids orthodontic mills, salesman's girlfriends penchant's for "hush" money, Yada, Yada, Yada........
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Now take off 20%, and that's your goal price out the door, incl. tax, admin,yada yada yada
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11-03-2019, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Northofu1
Now take off 20%, and that's your goal price out the door, incl. tax, admin,yada yada yada
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Yup, done that many times on many purchases. I have a few "rules" I use.
1. Never buy out of immediate need, you'll pay for it dearly.
2. Don't get caught up in the "bling" and get all starry-eyed and heart throbbing "gotta have it" blood pressure increase.
3. Never trust a salesman. Form an image of him pointing a gun at you.
4. Remind said salesman that they aren't the only people selling this.
5. I decide on my "limit" that I'm willing to spend. Then I visit my credit union and get a check that's blank but approved up to that limit. This keeps me from overspending and let's the seller know this sale can happen immediately.
6. NEVER, EVER, tell the salesman what your budget number is.
This has worked for me over the years but YMMV.
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2012 Laredo 303 TG
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11-03-2019, 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northofu1
Now take off 20%, and that's your goal price out the door, incl. tax, admin,yada yada yada
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I got a quote for it through the Costco auto program and the price is $48,700, with tax, title and license extra. No other add ons. So with everything would be about $52k out th door, minus my trade in.
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11-03-2019, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
Gegrad,
That's a nice looking truck. I like how GM has incorporated foot holes in the front of the bed. It sure makes getting things out of the bed much easier. I wonder how they will hold up to ice covered roads? Whether they'll be usable in the winter or fill with ice and road slush ???
Looking at the "weight limits/trailer limits sticker" it looks like GM has done some "changing and adding" to the information normally provided. Max tongue weight for a "bumper hitch" and max pin weight for a "gooseneck/fifth wheel" are provided. I can see the "bumper max weight" which would be based on the receiver's rating. But, to establish a max pin weight would be dependent on the hitch installed and since there's nothing in the bed of that truck (OEM Platform) the underbed fifth wheel/gooseneck system.... Based on the rating on the payload is 3420, but the max pin weight is 2490. That leaves 930 pounds for "cargo and passengers"... I wonder how they calculated that as a max rather than allowing for 3000 pounds of pin and only 420 for "other stuff" ???
I'm just guessing here, but I can see some legal issues when a single driver with no cargo gets "checked" and has a fifth wheel pin weight of 2900 pounds and.... <wait for it> "The sticker says the max is 2490"....
There's going to be a "learning curve" in interpreting the new sticker as well as the 10,450 GVW.....
Anyway, it looks like a nice truck, just WOW on $52,075 MSRP....
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Yeah, I wasn't sure how their math worked to figure the max pin weight given the payload. That will definitely be interesting to see how that all works in real life. I am guessing if you are pulled over and they want to weigh you (unlikely), they will check your axle weights and GVWR, and you would be fully defended if under both of those regardless of pin weight.
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11-04-2019, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KSH
I did a bit more research, looks like all trucks in this class max out at 10,000 lbs to stay in their class ratings.
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Keep researching... you'll find a ton of information about GVWR vs. Axle weights. It's a very polarizing discussion and the threads are often filled with all kinds of furor. IMO, axle weight are what matter most. They are what tires are rated to, brakes, frame and everything else that matters. Of course, many posters will swear their neighbor's hairdresser's son's soccer coach is in prison for getting caught exceeding his GVWR and that his insurance wouldn't pay when he got in a wreck..... but they are lying
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11-04-2019, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mtofell
Keep researching... you'll find a ton of information about GVWR vs. Axle weights. It's a very polarizing discussion and the threads are often filled with all kinds of furor. IMO, axle weight are what matter most. They are what tires are rated to, brakes, frame and everything else that matters. Of course, many posters will swear their neighbor's hairdresser's son's soccer coach is in prison for getting caught exceeding his GVWR and that his insurance wouldn't pay when he got in a wreck..... but they are lying
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That's a pretty strong, cut and dried statement. I would expect that you can post your definitive proof that exceeding those maximums and then being found guilty of causing an accident won't affect you legally or with your insurance company. If not, that is very poor advice and should be retracted IMO.
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11-04-2019, 12:26 PM
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The 285 60 20 tires stock are way over rated for your pay load of 1500 lbs. Thats to is the most important factor in towing over the GVWR . I owned 2500 duramax and changed out tires and rims to make my tires match my payload alond with bags .I felt more comfortable with the truck up graded .
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11-04-2019, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mtofell
Keep researching... you'll find a ton of information about GVWR vs. Axle weights. It's a very polarizing discussion and the threads are often filled with all kinds of furor. IMO, axle weight are what matter most. They are what tires are rated to, brakes, frame and everything else that matters. Of course, many posters will swear their neighbor's hairdresser's son's soccer coach is in prison for getting caught exceeding his GVWR and that his insurance wouldn't pay when he got in a wreck..... but they are lying
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NHTSA has a link where you can ask and get interpretations. So, some time ago I asked them to interpret "industry standards". They go right to the point with their interpretations. Here is their answer as written by them.
“Industry standards generally form the basis for demonstrating product safety and quality before courts, regulators, retailers, consumers and others.”
Do not exceed GVWR is an industry standard.
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