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Old 02-14-2018, 08:54 AM   #61
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The jury couldn't come to a consensus on the last 20% and we told it most cases don't add up to 100%. The worksheet we use is part of the trial paperwork but the judge only gives the percentage of fault in the courtroom. If the lawyers want the break down they have to request copies through the court.
Yes, the driver of the lifted truck was at fault and owned the contruction company. My point was is it doesn't have to be illegal to be used in civil court for a cause of an accident.
Another Hint - When you buy tires read the disclaimer on the bottom because the one he signed stated that if the tires were not OEM size tires he took all the responsibility for the suitability of tires for street use. CYA

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Last tow statements are so true, the tires on our Ram are not the ones listed on the VIN sticker, but the Optional size usually combined with the camper package and listed on the build sheet.
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Javi....maybe. But it looked to me that all of Chapter 2 was related to commercial vehicles. If you change yours..let us know.
Looked to me that between 10,000 and 18,000 GVW was the same price.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:38 PM   #63
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Javi....maybe. But it looked to me that all of Chapter 2 was related to commercial vehicles. If you change yours..let us know.
Looked to me that between 10,000 and 18,000 GVW was the same price.
If you read closely it covers both commercial and non-commercial TRUCKS.. Read sections 2.3 and 2.4

'sides I've already done did it... my truck was registered for 9600 lbs GVWR when I got the tags... had to fix that..
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Old 02-14-2018, 05:57 PM   #64
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9600 for a dually?? Where did that come from? A typo by the dealer?
I just never heard of anybody changing the GVWR. One ton dually's are thicker than fleas around here.
What were they going to charge you for plates for the 9600?
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:11 PM   #65
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9600 for a dually?? Where did that come from? A typo by the dealer?
I just never heard of anybody changing the GVWR. One ton dually's are thicker than fleas around here.
What were they going to charge you for plates for the 9600?
7600 curb + 2000 = 9600 it's all in the manual how they arrive at the registered GVWR..

Not were did, $77.75 registered by the dealer and the County.

All above board, I suspect there are a lot of duallys running around with that registered GVWR

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Gearhead, you do know they were called a one ton truck for a reason.🤣

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Old 02-14-2018, 06:43 PM   #67
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LOL! Having some familiarity with those stickers. I was only concerned with the GAWRs. Never went over those. GVWR is another story . . .
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:29 PM   #68
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In the FORD manual or the TxDMV? My Ram 3500 SRW GVWR is 12,300 per the door sticker. Axles are rated 6,000 front and 7,000 rear. I don't have a clue what it is registered at.
But wait there's more..I found my receipt...dang it..you're right. LOL My Ram is listed at 7900 empty and 2000 carry capacity. $77.25.
I bet 99.9% of all 1 ton duallys around here are the same. Unless someone is hot shotting I don't think anyone would even read the DMV receipt and think about it.
So did you take it up to 14,000? To CYA while pulling the 5th? Wouldn't it be what TxDMV defaulted the GVWR to vs. what Ford says it is (14,000) if it ever goes super legal? I'm missing what the DMV is trying to accomplish here.
So what am I going to do in a couple weeks when I go pickup that new Ram dually I ordered??? Yeah yeah yeah, I shoulda listened to you 2 years ago. LOL I am OK with the 5th but the Bigfoot is killing me. Weighed it last trip...over RAWR, over GVWR, way over the listed 4018# payload, right at tire limits. Dually.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:10 PM   #69
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In the FORD manual or the TxDMV? My Ram 3500 SRW GVWR is 12,300 per the door sticker. Axles are rated 6,000 front and 7,000 rear. I don't have a clue what it is registered at.
But wait there's more..I found my receipt...dang it..you're right. LOL My Ram is listed at 7900 empty and 2000 carry capacity. $77.25.
I bet 99.9% of all 1 ton duallys around here are the same. Unless someone is hot shotting I don't think anyone would even read the DMV receipt and think about it.
So did you take it up to 14,000? To CYA while pulling the 5th? Wouldn't it be what TxDMV defaulted the GVWR to vs. what Ford says it is (14,000) if it ever goes super legal? I'm missing what the DMV is trying to accomplish here.
So what am I going to do in a couple weeks when I go pickup that new Ram dually I ordered??? Yeah yeah yeah, I shoulda listened to you 2 years ago. LOL I am OK with the 5th but the Bigfoot is killing me. Weighed it last trip...over RAWR, over GVWR, way over the listed 4018# payload, right at tire limits. Dually.
So do you feel safe towing over registered GVWR???
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In the FORD manual or the TxDMV? My Ram 3500 SRW GVWR is 12,300 per the door sticker. Axles are rated 6,000 front and 7,000 rear. I don't have a clue what it is registered at.
But wait there's more..I found my receipt...dang it..you're right. LOL My Ram is listed at 7900 empty and 2000 carry capacity. $77.25.
I bet 99.9% of all 1 ton duallys around here are the same. Unless someone is hot shotting I don't think anyone would even read the DMV receipt and think about it.
So did you take it up to 14,000? To CYA while pulling the 5th? Wouldn't it be what TxDMV defaulted the GVWR to vs. what Ford says it is (14,000) if it ever goes super legal? I'm missing what the DMV is trying to accomplish here.
So what am I going to do in a couple weeks when I go pickup that new Ram dually I ordered??? Yeah yeah yeah, I shoulda listened to you 2 years ago. LOL I am OK with the 5th but the Bigfoot is killing me. Weighed it last trip...over RAWR, over GVWR, way over the listed 4018# payload, right at tire limits. Dually.
What to do depends on what load you are carrying... in my case my trailer is 12,300 GVWR with a pin weight of around 2400... so in all fairness I could register the truck for... say 11,000 or 12,000 and avoid the class A non-CDL DL license as well... See where this is going....

My suggestion for you is to register the truck at whatever max GVWR you intend to carry... plus a little fudge factor It's easier to do it at the dealership than at the courthouse..

The fee is the same from 10,001 to 18,000 anyway.. but you can play with the DL license requirements if your trailer is registered light enough...

In my case it would be, but the next one is heavier anyway...
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So the story....I'm good with the current 5th. My pin weight is 3300-3600 depending on how I pack (heavy) and the wife's 28 pair of shoes.
The problem is the Bigfoot cabover. I think it is advertised at 3200 wet and including the options. When I bought it in Maryland I ran it over the CAT scales and it was 3800 with a full tank of water, minimal food, and a couple changes of clothes. Good, but not a lot of wiggle room for my 4018 payload.
Every January I go to the indoor midget car races in Tulsa. Just me. It's usually pretty cool weather. There are good RV hookups on the fairgrounds so I stay there. This year I planned to go trout fishing in Broken Bow on the way home. So being in the cabover camper about 14 days, cold weather clothes, fishing gear, etc., I packed a lot not thinking/remembering how close I was on weight. Along the way I decided to weigh it. Dang that was eye opening. I drained off some water, re-weighed, and hit my RAWR on the money and drove on. Russ: I drives great. I have a BigWig sway bar on it so not a lot of scary moments. The scary part is being right on the tire limits. I got back home, layed around with a mild case of flu and thought about it a lot. Decided if I was going to keep the cabover I needed to do something. So I did. And yeah I'm thinking about "the next one" as well.
Not sure what I'm going to do with registration on the new one. I guess go ahead and do 14,000. It'll cost about $40 more. I don't think it will ever be a legal issue, but with my preaching about being legal I'd feel like a hypocrite if I didn't. I bet I will be the only dually in the county registered right. I think everyone else does the same as me...go to the courthouse and pay $77, get the tag, and throw the receipt away. The drivers license...more thinking required. LOL
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edit add...more thinking...13,000 sounds better. 5th wheel is 12,500 GVW so it would keep me under 26,000 GVW.
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I know in my state is not what it register for or what weights on the CAT scale to require the Non-Commercial license but what the GVWR on the stickers on the truck and RV. So if you have a DRW with 14,000 GVWR the GVWR of the RV would have to be less than 12,001 GVWR for a Class C anything over that would require a Class A or B. That makes enforcement simple since all the trooper would have to look at the stickers on the RV and Truck. I heard of one case in my state and the troop had the RV towed since he was not licensed to drive the vehicle. I know the guy and he was stopped for speeding and probably his month/attitude got him in trouble. I thought it was the same in Texas?
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You are getting tiresome. Your questions are meaningless and pointless...except to you I guess.

What does the sticker on the door say? What do you think it says? It specifies your exact GAWR/GVWR. What do you want? Someone to read it to you so you can comprehend it? Do you want it to mean something else? What does GROSS axle weight mean? I know it's tough but it means the TOTAL weight whether axle or vehicle. That's it. Not hard to read, not hard to understand for most. And yes, the yellow sticker says the payload "should never exceed X". Political or not that is what it says.

I'll use a phrase you have used repeatedly; your posts have the smell of foul gas and you need to try some deodorant yourself.....and refrain from the disparaging remarks to everyone. And, I'm doing my best to be nice....

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Hey sourdough, I returned it so don't blame me, I bet you put it somewhere so you wouldn't loose it...you must have forgotten where that was...LMAO!!
That's probably what it is. Seems like that's happening more and more. Been walking back and forth for the last 5 minutes trying to remember what I was looking for (not the stick), finally just had to say STOP, stood there for a second to gather my thoughts, then remembered I was looking for my glasses cause I couldn't see.......
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That's probably what it is. Seems like that's happening more and more. Been walking back and forth for the last 5 minutes trying to remember what I was looking for (not the stick), finally just had to say STOP, stood there for a second to gather my thoughts, then remembered I was looking for my glasses cause I couldn't see.......

That happens when you walk through a doorway. The doorway catches your thought and keeps it on the other side. Just walk back through the doorway and you will remember.

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What to do depends on what load you are carrying... in my case my trailer is 12,300 GVWR with a pin weight of around 2400... so in all fairness I could register the truck for... say 11,000 or 12,000 and avoid the class A non-CDL DL license as well... See where this is going....

My suggestion for you is to register the truck at whatever max GVWR you intend to carry... plus a little fudge factor It's easier to do it at the dealership than at the courthouse..

The fee is the same from 10,001 to 18,000 anyway.. but you can play with the DL license requirements if your trailer is registered light enough...

In my case it would be, but the next one is heavier anyway...
I think my dually is listed at 14,400 GVWR so since they don't have a 15K plate here in IN I go to the next level at 16K and that's where I register mine at with the DMV. Right or wrong that's what I do. The 16K was actually less money than the 14K plate.
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I know in my state is not what it register for or what weights on the CAT scale to require the Non-Commercial license but what the GVWR on the stickers on the truck and RV. So if you have a DRW with 14,000 GVWR the GVWR of the RV would have to be less than 12,001 GVWR for a Class C anything over that would require a Class A or B. That makes enforcement simple since all the trooper would have to look at the stickers on the RV and Truck. I heard of one case in my state and the troop had the RV towed since he was not licensed to drive the vehicle. I know the guy and he was stopped for speeding and probably his month/attitude got him in trouble. I thought it was the same in Texas?
That's the way it reads in Texas, but then it has a list of 1/2 dozen exemptions, most dealing with farmers, but the last one says "for personal rv use", that's the one that is confusing me & apparently everyone else at the DMV.
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I know in my state is not what it register for or what weights on the CAT scale to require the Non-Commercial license but what the GVWR on the stickers on the truck and RV. So if you have a DRW with 14,000 GVWR the GVWR of the RV would have to be less than 12,001 GVWR for a Class C anything over that would require a Class A or B. That makes enforcement simple since all the trooper would have to look at the stickers on the RV and Truck. I heard of one case in my state and the troop had the RV towed since he was not licensed to drive the vehicle. I know the guy and he was stopped for speeding and probably his month/attitude got him in trouble. I thought it was the same in Texas?
That's the way it reads in Texas, but then it has a list of 1/2 dozen exemptions, most dealing with farmers which another sore spot, but the last one says "for personal rv use", that's the one that is confusing me & apparently everyone else at the DMV.
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I know in my state is not what it register for or what weights on the CAT scale to require the Non-Commercial license but what the GVWR on the stickers on the truck and RV. So if you have a DRW with 14,000 GVWR the GVWR of the RV would have to be less than 12,001 GVWR for a Class C anything over that would require a Class A or B. That makes enforcement simple since all the trooper would have to look at the stickers on the RV and Truck. I heard of one case in my state and the troop had the RV towed since he was not licensed to drive the vehicle. I know the guy and he was stopped for speeding and probably his month/attitude got him in trouble. I thought it was the same in Texas?
Registered GVWR

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The questions raised by Rolling Along were replied to in a really long post by me, the OP, in post #57. I believe these answer his points and there is no need to belittle or cajoul anyone until those points are either refuted, rejected, disproved or agreed with.

Otherwise and until one of the above happens, I think its a good idea to just move on , there's really nothing to see here. YMMV

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