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Old 03-28-2017, 10:08 AM   #1
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Back from scales...

Adjusted my W/D Hitch and seem to have all my weights in range. Loaded for camping (Full tank of gas, wife, son, dogs, tools, grill, chairs, full frig, but empty water tanks). No boondocking till I get a bigger truck.

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Truck Ratings
GVWR GCWR GAWR-F GAWR-R
7100 13500 3450 3850
Truck tow rating is #8000 I'm at #5640
Tongue Weight is #720 (IF I did the math correctly?)
Truck has Michelin LTX A/S P265/60R18 109T (Rated #2271 Each)

Weigh Tickets

Truck Only
Steer Axle 3200
Drive Axle 3080
Trailer Axle
Gross Weight 6280

Truck/Trailer No W/D
Steer Axle 2900
Drive Axle 4100
Trailer Axle 4920
Gross Weight 11920

Truck/Trailer With W/D
Steer Axle 3280
Drive Axle 3540
Trailer Axle 5100
Gross Weight 11920


If I figured correctly the W/D hitch sent 80# of tongue weight to front axle and #180 to the trailer axle. Leaving #460 on rear axle. If that's the case, do I need to move a little more weight to front of trailer to adjust for the 10-15% tongue weight? Or is the 10-15% only figured before W/D? Anyone see anything else I should be concerned about? Other then a F250 would be a better TV? Have to make this one last for another year or two.
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:19 AM   #2
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Looks like you're pretty dialed in. A 720lb hitch for a 5640 trailer is 12.76%. You are SO close on your weights but looks like it barely comes under the wire with the WDH. Your truck rear axle is over without it. If water tanks were empty when weighed, I would do as you said and forego dry camping until you upgrade the truck.

What kind of hitch do you have? I'm assuming (hoping) it's at least a class III. Also, if you're going to keep the truck a couple of more years (when you trade get you a 250/2500) you might put some airbags in the rear to help with sag and sway. When I had my 1/2 ton I added them and they helped.
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:31 AM   #3
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Thank-you for responding,
Hitch / receiver came with the truck new from ford.
Stamp on hitch says... V-5
Weight Carrying 5000# gross / 500# tongue
Weight Distributing 10500# gross / 1050# tongue

I have a Fastway e2 10000 / 1000 W/D Hitch
She tows pretty good, and no sag with W/D on.
Get a little bit of push from passing trucks, wondering if a little more weight to front of trailer might dampen that some. No sway to speak of.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:22 PM   #4
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In my experience you always get a "push" from a semi when the wind is right. It is much more pronounced with a lighter truck like a 1/2 ton. I'm not familiar with the Fastway but it looks like it has done a good job of redistributing the weight. I'm assuming it has some sort of sway control? If the rig is handling well on the highway and driving good I doubt you need to add more weight to the front. As I said, I doubt you can stop the "push"......as long as you don't have sway.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:33 PM   #5
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The fastway does have sway control, but only 2 point. I got it included with a used Jayco I purchased as my first trailer. Sold the jayco and purchased the passport. Needed a slideout for more room. It does a pretty good job. Thanks for your reply, I was looking for opinions other then my own.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:40 PM   #6
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With a truck that close to maxxed out I sure think I would look into something with at least a 4 point sway control. I use the Equalizer and have had good luck with it.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:48 PM   #7
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Understand, I'll take a look. This seems to be a generic version of the Equalizer minus 2 points of sway control. Would love to have the Hensley Arrow, but I don't for the same reason I'm not looking for a F250 right now. Will keep my speed at 60 or under!
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:13 PM   #8
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Just an FYI. I found that a full tank of water (30 gallons) added about 150lbs to my truck.

I've got similar numbers to you, but a little extra room on my GAWR. After adding some items over 8 months, my '15 2810bh weighs 5880lbs. Hitch weight was 760lbs. I'm using the Equalizer hitch.
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:23 PM   #9
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so approx. 2/3 of the weight of the water was transferred to the truck. I was thinking if I had to, I could go maybe 15-20 gallons without a problem. Would still leave me 200# or so cushion on rear axle and the GVWR. Working hard so we don't have to leave anybody behind!
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:29 PM   #10
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Try to fill up close to your camping location. I usually only put 5 gallons in for stops on the road. If I dry camp, I'll fill up at another camping spot close.

On another related note, I was told during PDI to not carry a full tank very far. The tech doing the PDI told me that the straps holding the tank weren't built to carry it very far. In my opinion, they should be designed to hold their intended weight.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:42 PM   #11
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Try to fill up close to your camping location. I usually only put 5 gallons in for stops on the road. If I dry camp, I'll fill up at another camping spot close.

On another related note, I was told during PDI to not carry a full tank very far. The tech doing the PDI told me that the straps holding the tank weren't built to carry it very far. In my opinion, they should be designed to hold their intended weight.
Would be interesting to see what our techs say about this.
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:07 PM   #12
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I suppose I just "learned something".... (Or the tech that told mfifield01 about the tank straps was wrong)... If you think about it, with all of the trailers being produced, having only read this two times (once in mfifield01's post and once when 66joej quoted him in his response) I'd say that it's more than likely "bunk".....

That said, I suppose you could "instruct a new Chevy truck buyer (or a Ford/RAM buyer) to never fill their gas tank full because the straps might fail, or you could caution them to never go faster than 45 because (fill in the blank).... or ????

I'm not trying to be a "smartaleck" but rather saying that I've never heard that, but have heard of a couple people who have lost a tank during towing or people who have had a strap break (usually corrosion or a fastener failure). But, I've also heard of people whose gas tank fell out of the truck or who had an axle fail and a wheel fall off at 50 MPH... So, I'd say that even though it's possible that a strap could fail if the "new owner filled his tank" I can say that I have a 43 gallon fresh water tank sitting at the very back of my trailer, where it's subjected to significant bouncing, far more than if it were further forward, and I routinely tow with the tank "sloshingly full" and have done so since my Cougar was new. I've never had any problems with the tank and when I checked it last fall (yes I pulled the coroplast down to look) everything was secure, no damage and no sign of any potential for failure.

I'd have to say, "Chock this one up as a fairy tale" and make an educated guess that if Lippert manufactured trailer frames and Keystone installed water tanks/waste tanks that couldn't support their intended weight capacity, we'd all be hearing about "fresh water, bath water and "poo water" being spilled on the highways far more than we currently do.......
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:30 PM   #13
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I agree. I didn't believe his suggestion. I keep mine low to reduce hitch weight.

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Old 03-28-2017, 07:02 PM   #14
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Have to admit have not seen any posts recently on tank supports, although there have been posts in the past referring to supporting tanks. Search say tank supports. I am on this tiny phone enough trouble typing let alone try to copy a previous post link.

Just had my gray tank replaced, crack in tank, first thing tech asked was did you travel with this tank full. So it's bull spreading or these techs may be reading tech notes. Chuckster57 may be able to comment on tech notes.
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Old 03-28-2017, 07:12 PM   #15
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I don't have any "tech notes" about tank straps and holding tanks.

Can't say I've seen any tank straps fail leading to contents spilling.
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Old 03-29-2017, 01:52 PM   #16
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Truck has Michelin LTX A/S P265/60R18 109T (Rated #2271 Each)
When passenger tires (P) are fitted to a pick-up truck they MUST be derated by about 10%. That means your truck's tires are rated at 2064# @ 44 PSI.

When the truck manufacturer fitted the tires they automatically made the appropriate adjustments with the recommended cold inflation pressures.
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