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08-21-2018, 09:17 AM
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Truck recomendation for a Montana 5th wheel
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08-21-2018, 09:32 AM
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http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums...ad.php?t=34556
Plenty of discussion here on almost the same trailer. And I'm sure there are many other threads on the subject as well.
My take, you tow with whatever you feel safe with. But I will add that you are most likely looking at something DRW.
I tow about 3000 lbs. less than you with a SRW and payload is almost used up. Just a starting point for you to consider.
RMc
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08-21-2018, 09:35 AM
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Well should be looking at a Diesel DRW if you want a pleasant towing experience. Brand is your choice, although personally I would get a RAM!
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Russ & Paula and Belle the Beagle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
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08-21-2018, 11:50 AM
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1ton DRW minimum.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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08-21-2018, 11:57 AM
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1 ton dually...
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2020 Avalanche 313 RS
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08-21-2018, 01:11 PM
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1 ton diesel dually!!!!
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Sold '13 Redwood FB
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08-21-2018, 01:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by travelin texans
1 ton diesel dually!!!!
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Do they still make a gas dually... that would be a waste of steel...
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08-21-2018, 02:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Javi
Do they still make a gas dually... that would be a waste of steel...
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Yes, I believe all of the big three still offer a 350/3500 DRW with gas engine.
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Russ & Paula and Belle the Beagle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
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08-21-2018, 02:51 PM
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Can't speak for Ford/Ram, but GMC's and Chevy duallies can still be had with a gas engine.
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08-21-2018, 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Javi
Do they still make a gas dually... that would be a waste of steel...
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I don't drive a diesel but I totally agree that they are needed in many applications. Javi makes a good point. IF I follow my own rules and require a diesel if/when I exceed 10-11k then what point is a gas dually? Pulled up the Ram website and checked out a Tradesman one ton dually with the 6.4 gas engine and a 3.73 axle ratio w/13,300 gvw. I would have to ask....why? I have the same engine and axle w/10k gvw, I can't imagine trying to strap that combo with what the dually could tow/haul; that would go back to the last statement...I do agree that it would be a waste of steel
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
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08-21-2018, 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
I don't drive a diesel but I totally agree that they are needed in many applications. Javi makes a good point. IF I follow my own rules and require a diesel if/when I exceed 10-11k then what point is a gas dually? Pulled up the Ram website and checked out a Tradesman one ton dually with the 6.4 gas engine and a 3.73 axle ratio w/13,300 gvw. I would have to ask....why? I have the same engine and axle w/10k gvw, I can't imagine trying to strap that combo with what the dually could tow/haul; that would go back to the last statement...I do agree that it would be a waste of steel
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Because a 1 ton Dually with a gasser would have a higher payload than a diesel dually with the same GVWR? Of course the diesel may get you a higher GVWR to begin with, but since we have seen the manufacturers allow for widely different GVWRs that could be an issue.
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08-21-2018, 06:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gegrad
Because a 1 ton Dually with a gasser would have a higher payload than a diesel dually with the same GVWR? Of course the diesel may get you a higher GVWR to begin with, but since we have seen the manufacturers allow for widely different GVWRs that could be an issue.
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Once you pass the 10-11k threshold, tongue weight, payload etc. what does it matter? When the engine/drivetrain is maxed out at 10-11k what does the payload even mean? That was the point of the original post.
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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08-21-2018, 07:15 PM
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As the Texas contingent says, one ton diesel dually. Brand is the only option but mine is a Ram.
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09-02-2018, 07:49 AM
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Here is a good page to start your research: The Basics: What do I Need to Tow it?
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08 Dodge Ram 3500 4X4, Dually, 6.7L Diesel, K&N cold air intake system, B&W Gooseneck with 5th Wheel Companion, Firestone Air Bags
SOB: 09 Toy Hauler with Trail Air Tri Glide Air Ride Pin Box.
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09-02-2018, 07:54 AM
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Identical weights of our Alpine that we tow with GMC 3500 duramax/allison combo. It is not a dually but is at the max without duals. Been towing it a few thousand a year for 5 years. Plenty torque. Gas mileage towing runs around 11 and freeway not towing is over 20. Love the engine tranny combo and it's shifting abilities.
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09-02-2018, 08:25 AM
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With a 2k+ hitch load , I would go with a f450 Diesel or similiar. I have a trailer with a hitch wgt of 2k and The one ton (2009 F350 DR W Diesel) works great with it , but another 500 lbs and I would have to go to a F450. After 38 Yrs of towing Fivers ,I have gotten to realize what I need .
Irv Gates
2014 Montana HC 39ft
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09-02-2018, 09:08 AM
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Get a 6.7 Ford F-350 SWD or DWD I have the Alpine 7355 40 ft my F-350 docent even know its back there
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09-02-2018, 10:14 AM
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I pull My 40 ft sprinter with a dry weight of 10800 lbs, but who pulls dry weight ? I pull 13000 lbs with a gas f350 dually , if I had the means to trade for a diesel I probably would the truck struggled up in the mountains, but it always makes it , but anyone would have torque with a diesel but always might have an injectors problem with a diesel
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09-02-2018, 11:34 AM
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If you want to tow it safely get a full blown 1 ton or 1.5 ton to pull that much weight.
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09-02-2018, 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick
Get a 6.7 Ford F-350 SWD or DWD I have the Alpine 7355 40 ft my F-350 docent even know its back there
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A 3500 GM or Ram will do equally as well.
My '13 GMC towing a 16.5k 5er, set the cruise at 68 mph (1700 rpm is the sweet spot), enable the exhaust brake & tow/haul & never break a sweat towing all day long.
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