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Old 12-02-2019, 05:48 AM   #1
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With all the hoopla about battery vehicles and Tesla coming out with a new truck. My question was about range when towing. Saw this video, it is 22 minutes long FYI

Was talking to a camper salesman a while back, he said battery Class A are around the corner.


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Old 12-02-2019, 08:27 AM   #2
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With all the hoopla about battery vehicles and Tesla coming out with a new truck. My question was about range when towing. Saw this video, it is 22 minutes long FYI

Was talking to a camper salesman a while back, he said battery Class A are around the corner.


https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg
With all the talk about guys adding bigger fuel tanks to there trucks to increase range and make refueling easier a electric truck or class A will maybe in the 200 mile range. Then you have to stop and wait for the battery to charge. Not sure how many people want to twiddle there thumbs waiting for there vehicles to charge. I am not one of them.
Electric vehicles are just not main stream. On another note as the batteries get old they don't hold a charge as well to millage goes down. Neighbor had a Pris Hybrid and the battery went dead and he couldn't even start the motor because of the battery was bad.
I am just not sure why people think this is going to be the future of transportation.
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:52 AM   #3
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Years ago when the hybrids came out a friend at church bought a Toyota Corolla, keep it a year after finding the batteries weren't covered by warranty after the 1st year, $6500 worth of batteries, if needed replaced, in a $12000 new car!!! The 2nd year the batteries are worth as much, if not more, than the car.
These electric cars with only a 200 mile range IMO would be great as commuter vehicles in big metropolitan areas to help reduce smog & better the air quality, but don't seem very practical as cross country alternatives & even less as tow vehicles which probably shorten their range considerably.
Not to mention all I've seen are so damn ugly.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:47 PM   #4
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My F150 5.0 V8 will go over 700 miles on a tank of gas, but that's reduced to about 400 when towing our trailer. For me that's very acceptable for a long road trip, and when I do run low there are many gas stations to choose from and fill back up in 10 minutes.
The electric truck may be useful for the person who has a boat and only goes to the local lake launch, but not for a cross-country or even 2-3 state trip. As for a battery class A, I suppose they could use an on-board gas powered generator to keep it charged up longer but then what's the point of being electric? Even a whole roof of solar panels is not going to help that much when draining batteries to pull 13,000-30,000 lbs.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:26 AM   #5
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Here is another thing. Say everyone is forded to drive electric cars and they go to grandmas house for Thanksgiving and its a 3 hour trip each way and 10 cars show up, how many chargers does grandma have? Ops she doesn't have a car or a charger. Sorry Grams we can't show up so you starve. But wait there's more. Here in Ca they shut off the power so there won't be a wild fire and it takes days for them to turn it back on because they have to inspect the lines. Here you sit with a dead battery and stuck . This stuff sounds great on paper but in real life it just doesn't work.
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:24 AM   #6
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At this point in the development I can only see a few uses for all electric propulsion. For inter city use where the vehicle spends more time stopped than going. Short commute to work or shopping/doctor's office. Place to recharge at home (either garage or assigned parking with charger.

For trucks pretty much the same circumstance. Inter city or urban delivery trucks where they get used a relatively short distance and have a long "down time" for recharging.

There is no arguing that electric traction motors provide the best torgue and control of the torgue as evidenced in their use in locomotives, large scale mining machines, cranes, ship propulsion, etc. It's getting sufficient power to those drive motors that limits the practicality. Batteries just aren't there yet, at least not in a cost effective way. For now, and the "near future" fossil fuels are the practical means as far as weight to power, distribution infrastructure, and yes less pollution considering current manufacturing and disposal availability of the batteries.

I have no doubts that "one day" they will get there, just don't have a lot of faith it will be in my lifetime. IMHO the current "feel good" approach to going all electric is folly as the manufacturing and disposal of the batteries is a dirty business. The power grid is not capable of a huge demand for electricity that all electric vehicles in great numbers would impose. Check it out if you think this isn't true. Find out when the last license was issued for ANY power generating plant was issued. I don't think wind or solar is at this point the answer either as the numbers just don't prove it to be economical.
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Old 12-03-2019, 01:56 PM   #7
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About 7 or 8 years ago, Detroit had a big "hoopla introduction" for their electric city bus system... About 4 years ago, Detroit had a big "hoopla introduction" for their Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) city bus system. Last time we were in Detroit, I noticed that many of the "big busses" were diesel and most of the "smaller casino style" busses were gas powered.... I'm not sure what happened to the all electric bus system or the CNG bus system, but it looks like most of the public transportation is back to where it was 10 years ago.....
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IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.
I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050
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I was thinkin we might be able to harness "compressed natural gas" from cows, horses and pigs but looks like CA is going to tax the owner for every time they expel those gases so like everything else, looks like going "natural" would be very costly!!
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Old 12-04-2019, 07:01 AM   #10
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IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.
I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050
If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway.
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle,cooking..
"Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
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IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.

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I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050


If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway.
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle,cooking..
"Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
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If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway.
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle, cooking "Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
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Visualizing these comments brings back images of those old hot dog cookers that had electrodes that were inserted into each end of the wiener, plugged in and "literally zapped into doneness".... It's easy to imagine fresh roadkill, skewered on the convenient electrodes on the front bumper, so dinner can be monitored as it's "zapped into doneness".....
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You are correct John. I have a BBQ with some kind of gizmo (that I will probably never use) on it that will transmit meat temperatures to my cell phone. You could drive until your phone chimes that your meat on the bumper has been "zapped into doneness". Gonna cost you some miles though.
Now how can we add seasoning while driving? Hmmm...
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This is to funny!!!
I had one of those hot dog zappers. Worked great. It's gone now. LOL
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While you'er waiting for that chicken wire...
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I try to give this forum a "brilliant" idea to move forward with an electric vehicle power method and you want me to cheat death with a Russian weiner cooker
First thing I'd do is forget to unplug the cooker and then !!BOOM!!
I'm in cardiac arrest.
Did my DW put any of you up to this
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While you'er waiting for that chicken wire...

Here we are, heading into winter and the creativity is already starting to blossom! Such a simple device and SO versatile. Just imagine the possibilities with that thing; not only can you cook that hotdog in a heartbeat while on the move, it's a portable defibrillator, cattle prod (with a plethora of uses...)and could probably cook a steak etc.

As Brian noted, I'm thinking once this is fabricated I'll probably keep it under lock and key in an undisclosed location. Just as our minds are getting creative due to inactivity I'm thinking DW is doing the same. I'm not sure what that "cattle prod" function could do if utilized by a bored spouse when one was unalert, but I'm thinking I don't want to be the source of amusement as we while away the winter hours......
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Canonman my attorney told me to evoke my 5th amendment rights on your question (but you might want to check that "beneficiary line" on your policy L.O.L)

Danny look at the positive side, if you have a nosey neighbor invite them over for lunch, problem solved!
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Canonman my attorney told me to evoke my 5th amendment rights on your question (but you might want to check that "beneficiary line" on your policy L.O.L)

Danny look at the positive side, if you have a nosey neighbor invite them over for lunch, problem solved!
My "Term" policy expires next April. You'd wonder if she's getting desperate to collect. I thought it odd when she gave me a toaster for a bathtub toy...
But, that weiner cooker is going too far
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My "Term" policy expires next April. You'd wonder if she's getting desperate to collect. I thought it odd when she gave me a toaster for a bathtub toy...
But, that weiner cooker is going too far
Hmmmmmm? On a chilly afternoon , I wonder what dishes I can whip up with my implanted defibrillator????
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