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01-16-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishsizzle
Spot on as Ford and Chevy are already collaborating on the 10 speed transmission. You can only go so far with what’s avaible, and throw in cost/profit and collaboration will be the wave of the future. Ford is already in talks with VW for future products together.
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^^^ How right you are... Look at the Jaguar models from a decade ago. If you visualize a Taurus with a unique grill, you'd be correct. The fact that Ford owned controlling interest in Jaguar at the time probably had a significant impact on what their car lines resembled. It's the same with many others through the years. GM owned Opel during the time that we had a 1900 GT wagon, then GM moved the "American import line" (not the entire Opel line which is still manufactured in Europe) to Japan where they were built by the GM "partner" Isuzu, who, by the way, is in a "joint venture" with GM to build the DMax engines in Moraine, IL.
Currently, all the major manufacturers are in "joint partnerships" with or have been in such relationships for decades. Think Toyota/GM, Mazda/Ford, Chrysler/Mercedes just to name a few. I don't believe it's "accidental" that parts from one brand are used by other brands.
I'd suspect that if someone sat down and "really dug deep" they'd find that there's more "intertwined automobile research and production" than any of us realize......
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01-16-2019, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JRTJH
^^^ How right you are... Look at the Jaguar models from a decade ago. If you visualize a Taurus with a unique grill, you'd be correct. The fact that Ford owned controlling interest in Jaguar at the time probably had a significant impact on what their car lines resembled. It's the same with many others through the years. GM owned Opel during the time that we had a 1900 GT wagon, then GM moved the "American import line" (not the entire Opel line which is still manufactured in Europe) to Japan where they were built by the GM "partner" Isuzu, who, by the way, is in a "joint venture" with GM to build the DMax engines in Moraine, IL.
Currently, all the major manufacturers are in "joint partnerships" with or have been in such relationships for decades. Think Toyota/GM, Mazda/Ford, Chrysler/Mercedes just to name a few. I don't believe it's "accidental" that parts from one brand are used by other brands.
I'd suspect that if someone sat down and "really dug deep" they'd find that there's more "intertwined automobile research and production" than any of us realize......
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I recall these take overs, mergers, partnerships. They all started out the same with some statement to the effect of "while XXX has partnered with YYY, they will retain their individuality and remain a separately controlled company". Then shortly after that the only way to make it economically viable is to pair down the engineering, design teams and the brands begin to blend. The proliferation of outsourcing components also tends to cross companies as it's obviously more economical to "partner" with a supplier that is manufacturing parts on a larger scale, i.e. several car companies. This same economic model has transformed the healthcare industry as well. Here in the Baltimore are there are many hospitals that attract patients from around the world for their specialties, such as The Johns Hopkins, University of Maryland, etc. Now there are 3 basic "Health Systems" that have absorbed over a 100 hospitals, urgent care centers, and outpatient clinics.
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01-20-2019, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckster57
Most likely a software change, I look for the other two to be right behind.
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They might be right behind but they don’t catch up. Ford or Chevy in the 3500 never caught up the last time.
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01-20-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Kojak
They might be right behind but they don’t catch up. Ford or Chevy in the 3500 never caught up the last time.
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If I’m reading specs correctly,
2018 Power Stroke 935 lbs
2018 Ram 930 lbs
Ram went to 1000 lbs, 2020 Powerstoke will come out with Specs any day now.
I suspect it will be 5-10 lbs over, just for bragging rights. Always a few lbs left for the next model year.
Torque wars as usual. To be honest though, after 800 lbs it seems it doesn’t really matter. Heck maybe even after 600 lbs. All these trucks flat fly and pull in effortless comfort.
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01-20-2019, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Kojak
They might be right behind but they don’t catch up. Ford or Chevy in the 3500 never caught up the last time.
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Uh, we aren't talking horsepower are we.....
The horsepower of an engine is how much work the ENGINE can do over time. The exact definition of one horsepower is 33,000 lb.ft./minute. Put another way, if you were to lift 33,000 pounds one foot over a period of one minute, you would have been working at the rate of one horsepower. In this case, you'd have expended one horsepower-minute of energy.
Torque, on the other hand, is a measure of how much a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate. It's the pulling power of the engine translated through the transmission.
So both are important. Generally speaking though, if you want more pulling capacity, torque is going to be important. But you aren't going to have much torque without much horsepower. And again, this will all depend on the type of transmission that you have.
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01-20-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank G
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Well, the know-it-all understand that the truck, as listed later in this thread, has a 14,000 GVWR. In order to obtain that 7680 lbs. of payload, the truck, with all fluids and yourself cannot weigh more than 6,320 lbs. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, the trucks come in much closer to 9,000 lbs when you get a long bed, four doors and a decent set of options.
14,000 lbs. is nothing new or special. My 2017 DRW F350 and my 2019 DRW F450 both have 14,000 GVWR. So, it would seem the know-it-alls actually know quite a bit.
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01-20-2019, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd727
Well, the know-it-all understand that the truck, as listed later in this thread, has a 14,000 GVWR. In order to obtain that 7680 lbs. of payload, the truck, with all fluids and yourself cannot weigh more than 6,320 lbs. Good luck with that. Unfortunately, the trucks come in much closer to 9,000 lbs when you get a long bed, four doors and a decent set of options.
14,000 lbs. is nothing new or special. My 2017 DRW F350 and my 2019 DRW F450 both have 14,000 GVWR. So, it would seem the know-it-alls actually know quite a bit.
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I knew you would be stumbling all over yourself with that post, did I not say "properly equipped" or should I have said, with no options, but that may not be true.
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01-20-2019, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank G
I knew you would be stumbling all over yourself with that post, did I not say "properly equipped" or should I have said, with no options, but that may not be true.
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Probably a better statement would have been....
When properly "Un-equipped"!......as in stripped down to basic essentials required to drive the truck.....steering wheel, brakes, tires, seats, etc.
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02-07-2019, 05:55 AM
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I just love these truck wars. As far as I'm concerned any of the big three can haul my rig with ease and they're all packed with tech and electronics that make my life easy once I can learn how to use them. I had a Ram once and it was a great truck but I'm back to a Ford cause I've always kindof been a Ford guy. Some one else is a Chevy guy or a Ram guy. That's all right, they're all great trucks. It's just a matter of personal taste, they'll all do the job.
Enjoy your rides fellas.
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