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Old 09-16-2018, 06:28 AM   #21
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Op..IMO... Don't think your 1500, the way it sits right now, is stout enough for a 1/2 ton 5'er.
Let me tell you our adventure.
We ordered the stoutest F-150 w/HD payload we could (with how we wanted it configured). We had a 31' TT when we bought the truck. DW wasn't comfortable us towing the TT, in fact neither was I. I could never get the hitch dialed in. DW decided we need to downgrade so we decided to go with a smallish 5'er. We did a years worth of research, looking & crunching of numbers to make sure our little truck could handle a small 5er. It came down to a 28sgs or 26sab, both Xlite models. DW loved both their floor plans. Sales lady really tried to push the 28sgs on us, (cuz they didn't have a 26sab on the lot), but in the end, we felt it was a tad bit to much for our little truck so we went with a 26sab and are glad we did. The one we got is a perfect fit for our truck. We tow mostly in the Southern Rockies of Southwest Colorado and our little truck drags that 5'er up & down & around them there little hills (Molas, Coal Bank, Wolf Creek) with ease. We have pertnear 10,000 miles on it now. So make sure you do your homework & be 100% sure your truck can handle whatever you tow.


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Old 09-17-2018, 04:09 PM   #22
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Op..IMO... Don't think your 1500, the way it sits right now, is stout enough for a 1/2 ton 5'er.
Let me tell you our adventure.
We ordered the stoutest F-150 w/HD payload we could (with how we wanted it configured). We had a 31' TT when we bought the truck. DW wasn't comfortable us towing the TT, in fact neither was I. I could never get the hitch dialed in. DW decided we need to downgrade so we decided to go with a smallish 5'er. We did a years worth of research, looking & crunching of numbers to make sure our little truck could handle a small 5er. It came down to a 28sgs or 26sab, both Xlite models. DW loved both their floor plans. Sales lady really tried to push the 28sgs on us, (cuz they didn't have a 26sab on the lot), but in the end, we felt it was a tad bit to much for our little truck so we went with a 26sab and are glad we did. The one we got is a perfect fit for our truck. We tow mostly in the Southern Rockies of Southwest Colorado and our little truck drags that 5'er up & down & around them there little hills (Molas, Coal Bank, Wolf Creek) with ease. We have pertnear 10,000 miles on it now. So make sure you do your homework & be 100% sure your truck can handle whatever you tow.


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What does the CAT scale say? You have weighed truck and trailer right?
I know your happy with it, but I'd bet when it's weighed you'll find cargo weight will be over the trucks limit, same with the gvwr. Don't forget to include the hitch's weight, both you and wife and any other cargo in the bed and back seat.
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:15 AM   #23
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What does the CAT scale say? You have weighed truck and trailer right?
I know your happy with it, but I'd bet when it's weighed you'll find cargo weight will be over the trucks limit, same with the gvwr. Don't forget to include the hitch's weight, both you and wife and any other cargo in the bed and back seat.
If theasphaltrv'er has the heavy duty payload package on an F-150, it’ll have a payload number in the range of an F-250 so I’m confident they are fine, but having upgraded in 2016 myself, I really prefer the bigger everything of the F-250 for towing. I just don’t like the the mpg it gets as an unloaded daily driver.

The OP has a payload of 1580# which is pretty typical for a half ton and quite good for a RAM 1500. They used to make 21’ and 24’ 5ers without a slideroom that a half ton would do better with but there are very few, if any, made today that your average half ton would not be way over payload when hooked up.
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Old 09-18-2018, 06:23 AM   #24
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Want a 1/2 ton towable 5th wheel?


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I don't mean to high jack this thread...but

fjr vfr... FYI.... I haven't seen a cat scale in the 4 years of our travels with this combo. We very seldom travel the interstates and they don't have em near the areas we frequent the most. & Yes, I've have weighed it. We do have a sand & gravel company just down the road with a huge scale. & No, the truck does not tow over any of its limits, in fact this little 150 is stouter than our old 04 250 6.0 & allot of the newer 250 diesels. No matter what the numbers say.... it will be said by the so called "know it alls" that any so called 1/2 ton is not stout enough to safely tow a 5er. I disagree. So here's what numbers I do have.

Empty weights right off the lot
36 gal gas/me GWR

Front Axle 3520 4050 530
Rear Axle 2680 4800 2180
Total 6200 8200 2000
Payload Cap (per yellow sticker) 2172

Loaded weights 2017 ready to tow
36 gal /me/wife/yorkie/hitch/& all the little nick nacks (maps, garmin, cellphones, purse gloves detc)

Front axle 3580 4050 470
Rear Axle 3000 4800 1800
Total 6580 8200 1620

Everything is carried in the 5'er

5'er ready to travel

Pin Weight Dry/Wet 1190 1450 260 also scaled on a Sherline scale
5er axle Weight Dry /Wet 5890 6900 1010
5er Weight Dry/Wet 7080 8350 1270 GVWR 9960

Truck w/5'er 8030 LBS 8200 RAW 4450 4800
Combined weight 14,930 lbs GCWR 17,100

These weights taken from Sand & Gravel scale.

I don't believe any of the dry weights as stated from the company. Although we travel lite, according to the dry weights we don't carry anything. I didn't weigh it dry.
Said the dry pin weight was 1190 but I don't believe that was the actual dry pin weight. I believe the actual pin weight was at least a couple hundred pound lighter. Cuz the travel pin weight, I got, is 1450 lbs.

So may not be as accurate as a CAT scale but closest enough for the girls I date.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:33 PM   #26
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Well that's a lot of numbers. Sorry they're confusing to me. We don't need to agree on everything. What really maters is that your happy with it. Wishing you the best with it.


BTW, Just an FYI, do a search on google or youtube, semi floating axle vs full floating axle. A 1/2 ton truck has the first and 3/4 ton the second. Thanks happy travel.
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:33 PM   #27
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I'll bet your scale is as good as a CAT scale. But can I get you to explain these figures for me.....thanks.
Front Axle 3520 4050 530
Rear Axle 2680 4800 2180
Total 6200 8200 2000
Payload Cap (per yellow sticker) 2172
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:46 PM   #28
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" it will be said by the so called "know it alls" that any so called 1/2 ton is not stout enough to safely tow a 5er. I disagree. So here's what numbers I do have."

I don't think everyone is going to say "any" (all) 1/2 ton can't tow "any" 5th wheel. Without numbers it is going to be very difficult to tow any 10k gvw 5th wheel with any 1/2 ton. Most won't. It is virtually impossible to make weights with a normal 1/2 ton and a 10k gvw tongue pull....been there and done that. The 5th wheel has considerable more weight on the pin.

You have some factors going for you in your combo and sounds like you did your research before you hooked it all up. Your truck has a large payload for a 1/2 ton AND your trailer has what I consider an low unloaded weight and a large carrying capacity. Looks like you've added about 1270 lbs to the trailer and virtually nothing (380 lbs.) in the truck. With a 1450 pin weight + the 380 in the truck = 1830 lbs. leaving you 342 lbs. under your payload.

Your situation is very unique to me. I've never been able to just put 380 lbs. in a truck for a vacation to save my life. Oh, I probably have for a trip in a car and stayed in a motel but not real life "camping". Having only 1270 lbs. in the trailer is also another anomaly but not quite so unusual IMO. If you have everything you need/want I guess that's perfectly fine. The problem is, as I alluded to in my first post, most folks won't be able to do that. I suspect most would use that 3k of carrying capacity in the trailer (or most of it) and load down the truck. A regular 1/2 ton, with a normal payload, with normal folks pulling a 10k trailer with 3k of carrying capacity, will not make the numbers and will be overloaded. THAT is the problem with trying to put a larger gvw trailer (especially a 5th wheel) on a 1/2 ton. That has always been, and continues to be, their weakness. It is far easier, and more accurate, to generalize that a 1/2 ton can't pull a 5th wheel except in very specific cases vs saying a 1/2 ton is capable of pulling a 5th wheel but you need to "watch" your weights. That is misleading to me, and more importantly to new owners, but, that's JMO/YMMV

Thanks for posting the numbers and clearing up all the speculation.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:40 AM   #29
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Half tons have a very wide range of capabilities and trim levels. theasphaltrv'er said his F-150 has the HD Payload package. He said his yellow payload sticker says 2172#. So he has a payload equal to many diesel 3/4 tons. It’s much more capable than the vast majority of “half tons”.

That being said, I also agree that his F-150 won’t be as purpose-built as a F-250. I don’t recall the exact numbers but I think my ‘16 F-250 probably weighs 1500-2000# more than my ‘09 F-150 did and the 6.2L gas engine feels sluggish compared to the 5.4L in the F-150.
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I guess some folks just got to have a "special" truck...

Personally, if I want to carry ton or more of weight I don't special order a "car with a bed" and stuff added to make it capable of hauling the load... I go buy a standard truck built to carry the load without additional expensive options.

But hey... life is a test... and 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels is question #3
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:47 AM   #31
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Quote from Jim in Memphis,
I'll bet your scale is as good as a CAT scale. But can I get you to explain these figures for me.....thanks.

Front Axle 3520 4050 530
Rear Axle 2680 4800 2180
Total 6200 8200 2000
Payload Cap (per yellow sticker) 2172


The 1st number is what weight is on each axle of the truck as it came off the dealers lot.
The 2nd number is the gross or max weight that each axle theoretically can handle & the 3rd number is what weight is left that could be addded.
Payload Cap (per yellow sticker) 2172, Theoretically that's the total extra weight I can put in the truck. Hope that answered your question.


Front axle weighed .... 3520 lbs unloaded. Weight on it could weigh as much as 4050. So there was 530 lbs extra that could be used. Hope that explains the numbers.

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I guess some folks just got to have a "special" truck...

I guess some do!

...Really I don't know how special it is. Our little F-150 is just a plain XLT Ecoboost like allot of the plain XLT trucks you'd find on any dealers lot except we added the HD package and took what came with that package. All we wanted it to do was to be able to tow our trailer safely and give us a ride with a whole lot of comfort. Mission accomplished. DW is one happy lady. Alls good.
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But hey... life is a test... and 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels is question #3
Ain't that the truth.... Sad part is that too many folks go through life with a "test crib sheet" with all the answers but never take time to even read the questions, much less understand the question AND the reasons for the answer. They just mark down what's on the crib and move on.... 1=a, 2=b, 3=b, 4=d, etc.
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That being said, I also agree that his F-150 won’t be as purpose-built as a F-250. I don’t recall the exact numbers but I think my ‘16 F-250 probably weighs 1500-2000# more than my ‘09 F-150 did and the 6.2L gas engine feels sluggish compared to the 5.4L in the F-150.
Doubtful it has the 5.4 V8, most likely the EgoBoosted 3.6 V6!!
Which to me is as big a misnomer calling it a "tow vehicle" as it is calling a 10k+ rv "1/2 ton towable"! Just my .02 cents!
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Doubtful it has the 5.4 V8, most likely the EgoBoosted 3.6 V6!! Which to me is as big a misnomer calling it a "tow vehicle" as it is calling a 10k+ rv "1/2 ton towable"! Just my .02 cents!
The 2009 Ford F150 had three V-8 engine options, A 4.6l 2-valve, a 4.6l 3-valve and the 5.4l 3 valve. The same engine choices were offered in 2010. The 3.5l eco-boost V-6 was not available in 2009 or 2010 and was not available until the 2011 model year.

I owned a 2010 F150 5.4l 4x4 and traded it on a 2013 F250 6.2l 4x4. Having owned similar trucks to the poster's comments, I can also attest that the F250 with the 6.2l felt "sluggish" when compared to the 5.4l in the F150. Part of that was, IMHO, directly related to the additional 2000 pounds of "truck steel" incorporated into the F250 when compared to the "light truck construction" of the F150. My F150 was "zippy on acceleration" where the F250 was "sluggish but stable when loaded and working" I think that was the point the poster was attempting to convey in his comparison. Having personal experience with both engines in similar trucks, I agree with his analysis.
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The 2009 Ford F150 had three V-8 engine options, A 4.6l 2-valve, a 4.6l 3-valve and the 5.4l 3 valve. The same engine choices were offered in 2010. The 3.5l eco-boost V-6 was not available in 2009 or 2010 and was not available until the 2011 model year.

I owned a 2010 F150 5.4l 4x4 and traded it on a 2013 F250 6.2l 4x4. Having owned similar trucks to the poster's comments, I can also attest that the F250 with the 6.2l felt "sluggish" when compared to the 5.4l in the F150. Part of that was, IMHO, directly related to the additional 2000 pounds of "truck steel" incorporated into the F250 when compared to the "light truck construction" of the F150. My F150 was "zippy on acceleration" where the F250 was "sluggish but stable when loaded and working" I think that was the point the poster was attempting to convey in his comparison. Having personal experience with both engines in similar trucks, I agree with his analysis.
Thanks, JRTJH.

In my previous post I was talking about the 5.4L engine in my 2009 F-150, not the 3.5L Ecoboost in theasphaltrv’er’s truck with the HD Payload package.

Before I upgraded, I considered the same truck as theasphaltrv’er’s but my trusted mechanic suggested I avoid the Ecoboost engine. I guess he’s seen some significant problems with it. I also wanted to have a truck that could handle my next RV that’s hopefully going to be a 5er with a loaded weight of not more than 10K#. The F-250 is a better fit for that task but I was disappointed that the 6.2L is not as snappy as the 5.4L was in that 2009 F-150. If the diesel wasn’t a CDN$9000 premium, I would have looked seriously at a F-350 SRW diesel. (IMO, a Diesel engine in a 3/4 ton robs too much payload and a 1 ton only costs about $1000 more.)
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Thanks, JRTJH.

In my previous post I was talking about the 5.4L engine in my 2009 F-150, not the 3.5L Ecoboost in theasphaltrv’er’s truck with the HD Payload package.

Before I upgraded, I considered the same truck as theasphaltrv’er’s but my trusted mechanic suggested I avoid the Ecoboost engine. I guess he’s seen some significant problems with it. I also wanted to have a truck that could handle my next RV that’s hopefully going to be a 5er with a loaded weight of not more than 10K#. The F-250 is a better fit for that task but I was disappointed that the 6.2L is not as snappy as the 5.4L was in that 2009 F-150. If the diesel wasn’t a CDN$9000 premium, I would have looked seriously at a F-350 SRW diesel. (IMO, a Diesel engine in a 3/4 ton robs too much payload and a 1 ton only costs about $1000 more.)
I think the sluggishness you feel is just the bulk of the 3/4 ton. I went from a 5.7L Ram 1500 to the 6.4L Ram 2500 and it's the same thing. The 6.4 can get with it but in a much heavier, more cumbersome vehicle it just doesn't feel as "snappy" or "nimble" - attributes that I initially did not want to give up but now I am so happy I did. As long as I tow I won't ever have a 1/2 ton again - way too many benefits over the smaller truck.
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Many years ago, when I purchased the current truck, the 2002. The before truck was the same with 3 differences, old was super cab vs crew cab, old was f250 vs f350 and the newer truck has a intercooled turbo. New truck is around 1,000 lbs MORE weight and is sluggish when compared to the older truck on take off. Not much but I knew the difference right away. Oh well, it's the way it is.
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I think the sluggishness you feel is just the bulk of the 3/4 ton. I went from a 5.7L Ram 1500 to the 6.4L Ram 2500 and it's the same thing. The 6.4 can get with it but in a much heavier, more cumbersome vehicle it just doesn't feel as "snappy" or "nimble" - attributes that I initially did not want to give up but now I am so happy I did. As long as I tow I won't ever have a 1/2 ton again - way too many benefits over the smaller truck.
No question you’re right about the reason for the sluggishness.

I see Ford will be dropping the 6.2L gas engine in 2020 and replacing it with a 7.3L gas engine. That should improve the “snappiness” but fuel economy will likely take a big hit unless they work some magic.
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What gears are you running. I owned a 2010 F150 5.4 3.73 and it was doggy. I now own a 2018 2500 6.4 4.10. It's got more snap than the 5.4 ever had. With 7300 lbs behind the 5.4 it struggled. I currently tow 9300 lbs behind the 6.4 and off the line it's way crisper than the 5.4 was. Out in the real world of 5%-6% grades they feel equal.
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