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01-09-2019, 05:39 PM
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Frameless Windows ?
I've read on this forum most everything on frameless windows. My question is: What do the tech people as well as those that have them think about this type of window? Are they easily replaced if broken? Are they more expensive than the standard type? Any and all comments about this type of window is greatly appreciated. My new RV has these and I'm trying really hard to like them. But......
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Sandy & Ann
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01-09-2019, 05:45 PM
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I love mine. Easy to open and close, seem to work perfectly. Look smooth as silk and very high end.
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01-09-2019, 05:47 PM
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Sandy, do you have a concern with them? You state that "you are trying really hard to like them". I have them and like the cleaner look, just wish they were all double pane. I have no idea about ease of replacement or cost but I've never had an RV window break..... Can't see how replacing would be that more difficult if any.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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01-09-2019, 05:58 PM
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I do like the looks. My concern is if one gets broken, can I replace it myself? Over the past many years I've had 2 broken windows. The first unknown how it broke, the 2nd was with a weed eater throwing rocks. Never had this type of window before. Their lies my concern, it's new to me.
P.S. sourdough, where in west TX are you? I travel to Abilene and Lubbock quit often.
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Sandy & Ann
2019 Alpine 3401RS
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01-09-2019, 06:01 PM
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I'm sure we will have someone that has worked thru that respond. I've not.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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01-09-2019, 07:39 PM
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We replace the entire window. No harder than standard window, same ring and screws.
I personally don’t like them as they only open on the bottom and don’t open very far. If you don’t close them tight that’s when the problems arise as you drive down the road.
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Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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01-09-2019, 08:20 PM
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Frameless windows are not really frameless. The glass is not "IN" a frame, but is glued "TO" a frame. The same compression ring is used inside to pull the outer section of the window tight against the trailer sidewall. In "old style frame windows" there is an aluminum flange that seals against the trailer. In "frameless windows" there is a glass flange (the window) that seals against the trailer sidewall. Otherwise, they are "fairly similar"....
The only "big difference" I've seen is that you can't replace a broken glass section, since the glass is "glued to the frame" you must replace the entire structure. Otherwise, upkeep, cleaning, maintenance is about the same.
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01-09-2019, 08:35 PM
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Actually there is a metal flange on both sides. I have replaced a few, currently getting a 43’ fiver with 5 slides ready. Has numerous “frameless” windows. I’ll upload a pic in the morning.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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01-09-2019, 08:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sandy43
I do like the looks. My concern is if one gets broken, can I replace it myself? Over the past many years I've had 2 broken windows. The first unknown how it broke, the 2nd was with a weed eater throwing rocks. Never had this type of window before. Their lies my concern, it's new to me.
P.S. sourdough, where in west TX are you? I travel to Abilene and Lubbock quit often.
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I'm in a little place called Lamesa, TX. About 60 miles S of Lubbock, 55 miles N of Midland and about 2 1/2 hours from Abilene. My work involved a lot of travel through all those places and loved overnites in Lubbock and Abilene.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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01-10-2019, 08:24 AM
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Pics as promised. First is looking from inside. Second shows D seal that the glass seals against
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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01-10-2019, 04:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
I'm in a little place called Lamesa, TX. About 60 miles S of Lubbock, 55 miles N of Midland and about 2 1/2 hours from Abilene. My work involved a lot of travel through all those places and loved overnites in Lubbock and Abilene.
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Very familiar with Lamesa. My uncle farms cotton in Ropesville. My daughter went to TT. Abilene is where all my grand children live. Possibly some day we might meet up.
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01-17-2019, 08:29 AM
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We love ours as it is the second RV that we have had them. The last one suffered a broken window due to the idiot driving the tow vehicle. Really simple repair, tech measured window, had it cut and installed in minutes. We really like the way they open as you don't have to worry if it rains and they are left open.
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01-17-2019, 08:33 AM
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I like look of Frameless windows however I've read many times they are more prone to leaks or other failures. Also that dual-pane frameless have a higher failure rate due to the weight of the outer-glass hanging by the seal to the inner-glass and shear force over time causes a problem. Lastly that a cracked glass pane requires replacing the whole window in many cases. None of these are my personal experience just what I've read but they seemed to make sense to me.
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01-17-2019, 05:41 PM
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Have em, like em and Gig 'em.
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01-17-2019, 05:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sandy43
I've read on this forum most everything on frameless windows. My question is: What do the tech people as well as those that have them think about this type of window? Are they easily replaced if broken? Are they more expensive than the standard type? Any and all comments about this type of window is greatly appreciated. My new RV has these and I'm trying really hard to like them. But......
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Well, here's my take. At first I liked them. On our first TT almost every window was a frameless. We spent a very hot summer where we could not run the a/c. The frameless windows did not open up very wide and very little breeze came in. So at that point I didn't like them. Only had that TT about 6 months. We switched to a 5er and most the windows open slid vertically or horizontally. We now have much better ventilation. But then we moved through Texas and other Southern states during high heat, high humidity, and heavy rain. Emphasis on heavy rain. Guess what. The frameless windows do not let rain in, the sliders do ... All the sliders have to be closed for the rain. Now I miss the frameless. I guess that's a long way of saying, each has its benefits and draw backs...
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01-17-2019, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec557
Well, here's my take. At first I liked them. On our first TT almost every window was a frameless. We spent a very hot summer where we could not run the a/c. The frameless windows did not open up very wide and very little breeze came in. So at that point I didn't like them. Only had that TT about 6 months. We switched to a 5er and most the windows open slid vertically or horizontally. We now have much better ventilation. But then we moved through Texas and other Southern states during high heat, high humidity, and heavy rain. Emphasis on heavy rain. Guess what. The frameless windows do not let rain in, the sliders do ... All the sliders have to be closed for the rain. Now I miss the frameless. I guess that's a long way of saying, each has its benefits and draw backs...
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You are spot on. I used to have the "sliding" windows. More air flow but no way was I going to leave and leave them open in any kind of iffy weather; frameless? Leave them open all the time with no worries. For us, the frameless offers us better options than the regular slide windows....if there are issues I can turn the fan or AC on....
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
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01-18-2019, 09:29 AM
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Frameless Windows
Mornin...When I bought our 2018 Keystone Cougar, 29rkswe, the model came in 2 diferent styles. One was a newer 20th anniversary model with several 'upgrades', from the earlier 2018 models of same 5er. The 2oth anniversary edition had non-frameless windows, i.e. standard rubber gasquet. The salesmen told us Keystone had gone back to the non-frameless windows because the frameless ones broke easier and only opened a small amount, and sometimes pop-out !.
Anyway, that is what we we're told, and are happy with our framed windows which will open to any desired amount. Visually, the frameless windows, with their raw glass edge, seem a bit vulnerable to me....just my thoughts.
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01-27-2019, 04:12 PM
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I have a Impact 361 which has the frameless windows. I have broken a window, took it out and contacted the window manufacturer for a replacement. It would cost $400.00 plus shipping. Also would take 4 weeks. I took the broken window to a local glass shop. Since the frame was not bent they were able to replace it. Cost was $225.00 and I had it back on the trailer in three days.
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05-11-2020, 12:26 PM
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Chuck, I know this is an old thread but my question is, can I replace the frameless with slider/frame windows? I only camp at high altitude with no air conditioning and need good cross breeze. It would be worth the cost to me if I don't need to modify the sidewall opening. I'm looking at new rigs and need to know if this is an option for me.
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05-11-2020, 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAPotter
Chuck, I know this is an old thread but my question is, can I replace the frameless with slider/frame windows? I only camp at high altitude with no air conditioning and need good cross breeze. It would be worth the cost to me if I don't need to modify the sidewall opening. I'm looking at new rigs and need to know if this is an option for me.
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The window is held in place by the screws through the “ring” on the inside. If you can find sliding windows that fit that opening, then I would say yes. The sliding window frame dimensions would have to be pretty much exactly the same as the frameless.
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Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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