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11-05-2019, 01:03 PM
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New truck, Need new fifth wheel Hitch
Hello,
I just got a new 2019 Ram 2500, and my old fifth wheel won't fit the new fifth wheel prep package on the 2500. anyone have any suggestions on a new fifth wheel Hitch, I know Mopar makes one for it, I didn't know if there were any other compatible with the prep package.
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11-05-2019, 03:18 PM
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Fairly certain B&W makes on for all the big 3 trucks & in my opinion you won't/can't find a better hitch.
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11-05-2019, 03:44 PM
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2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO, Aisin Trans 3:73
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11-05-2019, 03:48 PM
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I'm using the PullRite Superlite single point #2600. I drop a gooseneck ball in the factory prep and set the hitch on it. Very similar to an Andersen hitch except it's steel. Pullrite.com
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11-05-2019, 04:04 PM
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Site Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gearhead
I'm using the PullRite Superlite single point #2600. I drop a gooseneck ball in the factory prep and set the hitch on it. Very similar to an Andersen hitch except it's steel. Pullrite.com
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Brent,
Have you done any research on the requirement for chains with that system? In Michigan, if I'm reading the towing requirements properly, if there is a "ball hitch" (gooseneck or bumper connection) the trailer must be secured to the tow vehicle with safety chains. I don't see much enforcement (well, I haven't seen any enforcement) of the requirement, but then I'm not specifically looking either. I do know that in Traverse City last summer, a camper towing a fifth wheel with a gooseneck hitch pulled out of the state park campground, was involved in an accident (he pulled out in front of a car that didn't (couldn't??) stop) He was cited for causing the accident and was also cited for not having safety chains.
Just wondering if you've done any research in that area ???
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11-05-2019, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JRTJH
Brent,
Have you done any research on the requirement for chains with that system? In Michigan, if I'm reading the towing requirements properly, if there is a "ball hitch" (gooseneck or bumper connection) the trailer must be secured to the tow vehicle with safety chains. I don't see much enforcement (well, I haven't seen any enforcement) of the requirement, but then I'm not specifically looking either. I do know that in Traverse City last summer, a camper towing a fifth wheel with a gooseneck hitch pulled out of the state park campground, was involved in an accident (he pulled out in front of a car that didn't (couldn't??) stop) He was cited for causing the accident and was also cited for not having safety chains.
Just wondering if you've done any research in that area ???
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I use the Andersen ultimate steel version and I cannot find in the Michigan MCL where what you cite is listed. I actually found a case from the early 2000's that says the other way. Can you provide the MCL language about the ball hitch requiring chains?
https://www.amazon.com/Reese-30154-F...14203175&psc=1
While the language of Section 257.721(3) could technically be extended to fifth wheel or gooseneck semi trailers, the FMCSR, as adopted into state law, exempts these vehicles from safety chains. To prevent interference with interstate commerce, it is the policy of the Motor Carrier Division to not apply Section 257.721(3) to vehicles that use fifth wheel or gooseneck connecting devices.
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2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO, Aisin Trans 3:73
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11-05-2019, 06:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tech740
I use the Andersen ultimate steel version and I cannot find in the Michigan MCL where what you cite is listed. I actually found a case from the early 2000's that says the other way. Can you provide the MCL language about the ball hitch requiring chains?
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While the language of Section 257.721(3) could technically be extended to fifth wheel or gooseneck semi trailers, the FMCSR, as adopted into state law, exempts these vehicles from safety chains. To prevent interference with interstate commerce, it is the policy of the Motor Carrier Division to not apply Section 257.721(3) to vehicles that use fifth wheel or gooseneck connecting devices.
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Please keep in mind that I am not a "legal expert" and this is "my opinion" based on the way I interpret the Michigan code. It may (or may not) be the "legislative intention" as the code was written or amended....
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(x3h...me=mcl-257-721
Paragraph 257.721(3) is referencing "trailers using conventional hitches, pintle hitches and bumper attached hitches".
Paragraph 257.721(4) references "conventional fifth wheel hitches".
Paragraph 257.721(5)(a,b,c) establish legality for towing a second trailer <double towing/triple towing> behind a fifth wheel.
The definition of "fifth wheel" is established in Paragraph 257.721(3) and the last half of the last sentence in that paragraph states, "the safety chains or devices required under this subsection shall conform to the federal motor carrier safety regulations requirements contained in 49 CFR 393.70(d)(5)."
You can read the requirements for fifth wheel hitches and for "other forms of hitches" in 49CFR 393.70. In that reference, sub-paragraph (b)(3) provides specific instructions related to the "king pin". The next paragraph then establishes requirements for "full trailers". In that sub-paragraph (d) 1-8, safety chain requirements are addressed.
You can find 49CFR 393.70 here: https://www.customsmobile.com/regula..._section393.70
As I said, this is "my take" on the "scrambled egg mix" called the Michigan code. I'm no expert and can't say that I'm correct or that I'm not correct, just what I think the rules mandate. I have no "skin in the game" (so to speak) as I tow with a conventional fifth wheel hitch, not a "gooseneck or adapter style hitch" so I've not spent any extensive time researching what doesn't apply to my towing equipment.
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2015 F250 6.7l 4x4
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11-05-2019, 07:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
Please keep in mind that I am not a "legal expert" and this is "my opinion" based on the way I interpret the Michigan code. It may (or may not) be the "legislative intention" as the code was written or amended....
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(x3h...me=mcl-257-721
Paragraph 257.721(3) is referencing "trailers using conventional hitches, pintle hitches and bumper attached hitches".
Paragraph 257.721(4) references "conventional fifth wheel hitches".
Paragraph 257.721(5)(a,b,c) establish legality for towing a second trailer <double towing/triple towing> behind a fifth wheel.
The definition of "fifth wheel" is established in Paragraph 257.721(3) and the last half of the last sentence in that paragraph states, "the safety chains or devices required under this subsection shall conform to the federal motor carrier safety regulations requirements contained in 49 CFR 393.70(d)(5)."
You can read the requirements for fifth wheel hitches and for "other forms of hitches" in 49CFR 393.70. In that reference, sub-paragraph (b)(3) provides specific instructions related to the "king pin". The next paragraph then establishes requirements for "full trailers". In that sub-paragraph (d) 1-8, safety chain requirements are addressed.
You can find 49CFR 393.70 here: https://www.customsmobile.com/regula..._section393.70
As I said, this is "my take" on the "scrambled egg mix" called the Michigan code. I'm no expert and can't say that I'm correct or that I'm not correct, just what I think the rules mandate. I have no "skin in the game" (so to speak) as I tow with a conventional fifth wheel hitch, not a "gooseneck or adapter style hitch" so I've not spent any extensive time researching what doesn't apply to my towing equipment.
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I have read those, a couple times actually, the parts that get me is a full trailer requires chains. A full trailer is a gravity box trailer for a lack of better references. It supports all its weight. It also says that any trailer that has tongue weight, defined as semi trailer does not require chains. I have always been told that if it connects with a pin like a standard fifth wheel hitch no chains. If it is on a ball then it requires chains. I just cannot find any supporting documentation.
Not meant as an argument just wish I could find something that agrees one way or the other. The federal https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...se49.5.393_170
if you scroll down a bit it shows pics that incorporate all the definitions. It shows a travel trailer as a semi trailer because it applies weight to the tow vehicle.
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2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO, Aisin Trans 3:73
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11-14-2019, 10:57 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Liberty, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
Brent,
Have you done any research on the requirement for chains with that system? In Michigan, if I'm reading the towing requirements properly, if there is a "ball hitch" (gooseneck or bumper connection) the trailer must be secured to the tow vehicle with safety chains. I don't see much enforcement (well, I haven't seen any enforcement) of the requirement, but then I'm not specifically looking either. I do know that in Traverse City last summer, a camper towing a fifth wheel with a gooseneck hitch pulled out of the state park campground, was involved in an accident (he pulled out in front of a car that didn't (couldn't??) stop) He was cited for causing the accident and was also cited for not having safety chains.
Just wondering if you've done any research in that area ???
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I'm a bit late seeing your post John. But, yes I did some research, but that only involved calling PullRite. They told me there is no state that requires safety chains for their hitch. They said that quite confidently, for what that's worth. Either just before or just after I bought the hitch I bought a Curt gooseneck kit...safety chains and loops for the Ram pucks. My issue is connecting the chains to the pin box hitch. I think Andersen sells long shanked eye bolts for their hitch. I should call PullRite again and ask about metallurgy for eye bolts. There is the issue of say, desiring a grade 5 bolt so that it would bend rather than a grade 8 that would shear.
Yes I have sat in too many "Management of Change" meetings. LOL
If I had it to do all over I would go straight to a Reese Goosebox. I just saw one at the races in Charlotte that is 20K rated but 4K pin weight. I thought they were all 16K. That's a little light on pin weight for me. That gooseneck ball being the only thing in the bed between towing and a clean bed sure looks appealing.
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11-15-2019, 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gearhead
I'm a bit late seeing your post John. But, yes I did some research, but that only involved calling PullRite. They told me there is no state that requires safety chains for their hitch. They said that quite confidently, for what that's worth. Either just before or just after I bought the hitch I bought a Curt gooseneck kit...safety chains and loops for the Ram pucks. My issue is connecting the chains to the pin box hitch. I think Andersen sells long shanked eye bolts for their hitch. I should call PullRite again and ask about metallurgy for eye bolts. There is the issue of say, desiring a grade 5 bolt so that it would bend rather than a grade 8 that would shear.
Yes I have sat in too many "Management of Change" meetings. LOL
If I had it to do all over I would go straight to a Reese Goosebox. I just saw one at the races in Charlotte that is 20K rated but 4K pin weight. I thought they were all 16K. That's a little light on pin weight for me. That gooseneck ball being the only thing in the bed between towing and a clean bed sure looks appealing.
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Update...I've been trading emails with PullRite and, behold!, they have a revised adapter plate that will accept safety chains. I have a new adapter on the way next week.
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11-15-2019, 07:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gearhead
Update...I've been trading emails with PullRite and, behold!, they have a revised adapter plate that will accept safety chains. I have a new adapter on the way next week.
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Good information to know. Apparently they got notice from someone that there's at least one state that disagrees with their assessment that their hitch doesn't require safety chains...
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that as more and more people get into fifth wheeling, the "exotic hitches" are going to get noticed more often by LEO's that apply their own interpretation to the situation. Whether they might be right, wrong, informed or misinformed, when you're on the side of the road on a Sunday afternoon with blue/red lights behind you is NOT the time to argue that "Pull-Rite told me"....
The more people that buy fifth wheels, the more potential for that to happen.
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11-05-2019, 06:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gearhead
I'm using the PullRite Superlite single point #2600. I drop a gooseneck ball in the factory prep and set the hitch on it. Very similar to an Andersen hitch except it's steel. Pullrite.com
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I have an Andersen Ultimate hitch on my truck and in Texas, we are supposed to use safety chains. I have chain loops on my set up and bought the safety chains from Andersen and hook those when traveling. I think it is a Texas law so am not sure about other states.
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11-05-2019, 04:13 PM
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Gone Traveling
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I dont have a MOPAR but I have a B&W turnover ball 5th wheel hitch in my 15 F250 and towed over 35,000 miles with it and never a single problem. Very solid
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11-05-2019, 04:16 PM
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I have the Andersen hitch so same issue with the safety chains. I didn't even worry about researching...I just put them on. It's easy to do and solves the issue.
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11-06-2019, 07:42 PM
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Talk to etrailer or get to a trailer hitch place to discuss you issues.
I don't know what the issue is about chains in michigan and how it relates to your 5th wheel.
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11-14-2019, 08:35 AM
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Safety chains with Gooseneck?
With varying requirements...maybe look at it from the other end of the dog.
Local LEO has the ability to stop you and prohibit your vehicle from being moved if he considers it to be unsafe. So if this happens, you get to pay the fine, then call someone, buy a set of safety chains and get them installed on the road before you can move your vehicle. Sounds like a good way to ruin your day.
When I bought my Ford gooseneck kit for the puck system, it included pucks for safety chains. Seems like pretty cheap insurance to get them now rather than potentially have to buy them on the road. It might be a bit more safe if involved in an accident with another vehicle and it is one less thing the lawyers will have to nail to you. IMHO
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11-14-2019, 08:09 AM
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I went with the Andersen Ultimate for my 2019 Ram 3500. No regrets!! And its light weight, easy to put in and out.
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11-14-2019, 08:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwayne564
Hello,
I just got a new 2019 Ram 2500, and my old fifth wheel won't fit the new fifth wheel prep package on the 2500. anyone have any suggestions on a new fifth wheel Hitch, I know Mopar makes one for it, I didn't know if there were any other compatible with the prep package.
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One option, put a Reese goosebox on your 5r and you can use the OEM gooseneck prep. BW sells a kit that has a gooseneck ball and safety chain anchors that lock into the rear pucks. Awesome quality and light.
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11-14-2019, 12:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolo4u
One option, put a Reese goosebox on your 5r and you can use the OEM gooseneck prep. BW sells a kit that has a gooseneck ball and safety chain anchors that lock into the rear pucks. Awesome quality and light.
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This is exactly what I did......love it. Nothing in the bed when not towing, except the ball that is easily removed and weighs about 2 pounds.
Tim
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11-14-2019, 08:32 AM
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Just got the same truck. I purchased a PullRite 2500 series hitch. Easy in and out. Very easy to hook up to the trailer.
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