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09-06-2017, 07:46 PM
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Propane hose cracked and broken
I leave sturgis full tank of propain I pull in to ft Collins co and smell propane . The one hose was split and leaking propane just a big mess poor quality control on keystone.I
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09-06-2017, 08:11 PM
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Wow! That looks like it was cut, not cracked. That looks dangerous. Glad no one was hurt.
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09-06-2017, 08:11 PM
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This is on a 2015 model. I had hose clamp and fixed it till I home and made new hoses . The hose ends are very easy to remove with drummal. Very old dry rotten left out in the sun or removed from the trash and used on how may camp trailers. That hose failed on the pipe end . Both hoses are like the one show on my vice in he shop.
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09-06-2017, 08:21 PM
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I'm sorry for your problems....but, how do you miss that when filling the tanks?
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09-06-2017, 09:53 PM
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i have a 2015 and the hoses looked dry and brittle
replaced those and the auto swap over valve a few weeks ago
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09-07-2017, 04:04 AM
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Were the hoses exposed to direct sunlight, and if so for how long?
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09-07-2017, 05:04 AM
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Most (well many) high pressure hoses are actually "steel braid hoses with a rubber liner" and the outer rubber covering is a protective cover for the steel braid hose. It serves, not to prevent leaks, but to protect the steel hose inside it. Some hose manufacturers actually "pin prick" that outside rubber covering so gas will escape so you can smell it (rather than make an explosive bubble of gas like a balloon).
If you smell propane and it's the hose leaking, the high pressure steel hose inside the rubber is leaking and the entire assembly should be replaced. Remember, there's also an anti-flow safety valve at the tank end of the hose as well.
If the hose is leaking, a replacement costs about $7. Is it worth the risk to rebuild with possible old components that may not be reliable?
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09-07-2017, 05:40 AM
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propane hose
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Originally Posted by roadglide
I leave sturgis full tank of propain I pull in to ft Collins co and smell propane . The one hose was split and leaking propane just a big mess poor quality control on keystone.I Attachment 14050
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How old is that stuff?, and looking at the hose, it looks like is wrapped a little too tight, BUT the cracks ARE NOT Keystones fault , it is the owners onus .. proper care of your equip is up to you. Replace the whole maryanne, and say no more.
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09-07-2017, 05:57 AM
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The OP's rig is a 5er. The tanks and hoses are in compartments so I would expect zero UV damage on the hoses in a two or three year old unit. Normally, I am very reluctant to just point a finger at Keystone, but since another member said that he also had bad hoses in a 2015 model, I have to wonder a bit.
If the OP truly has the right equipment and skills to replace propane hoses using the original connectors, that's great. But I would generally recommend that others without similar capabilities just replace the whole assembly.
A side note: One of the hoses in my Cougar is very, very short, and it's a knuckle skinner to remove and replace tanks. If I thought the hose needed replacing, I'd get a longer one to make things a bit easier. Any time you have replace something is a good time to consider an improvement.
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09-07-2017, 06:57 AM
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Since it is a fiver I agree UV damage is not the issue. I responded at about 4:30AM and wasn't fully awake.
And I agree, unless a person has the equipment, I would just replace them.
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09-07-2017, 08:06 AM
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Never in the sun and under the rv port . The hoses that came connected to the propane tank and bottles 2015.
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09-07-2017, 08:23 AM
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There specialty hose not found everywhere. I have a make up kit for Actyline and oxygen hoses and made the new hoses substantially longer. I can't say keystone makes that short dangerous gas hose. Some body grab a roll of of old cracked hose and made a bunch of short rv propane hose. Something to look for before there is a fire or death.
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09-07-2017, 08:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drydays
How old is that stuff?, and looking at the hose, it looks like is wrapped a little too tight, BUT the cracks ARE NOT Keystones fault , it is the owners onus .. proper care of your equip is up to you. Replace the whole maryanne, and say no more.
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that's BS new hose has life expectancy longer 2 year even in sun light. I'm a retired coal miner and have made many hyd hoses. I have seen this hose failure only on hose laying around the bone yard on old salvage equipment. My responsibility after 1 year more bs . That's a safety recall I advised every owner to inspect that dangerous short hose . Mine actually broke off at the thread because there isn't enough hose for bottle movement that happened because of dry rotten hose .
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09-07-2017, 12:11 PM
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I doubt keystone makes the pig tails. To easy to buy a bulk amount in different lengths. One of my pigtails started leaking at 3 yrs old, and my "cross over" regulator went at 4 yrs. could have been a bad batch from the supplier.
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09-07-2017, 02:22 PM
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ALL of that "stuff" is bought by Keystone from the lowest bidder and every ounce of it is built in China, imported to the US and sold to the "highest bidder". I'd almost bet the that propane hoses are made in a plant across the alley from the Trailer King plant.... Do you really expect to get "USA quality" from a Chinese "may-pop" plant and do you really expect to get longevity from the cheapest stuff on the market???
I replaced the autochangeover regulator on my 2011 Springdale in 2012 and I replaced both the propane hoses on that trailer in 2013, just before we traded it (after the tree fell on it). The autochangeover regulator in the Cougar lasted 2 years and both the hoses on it have been changed (the trailer is 4 years old).
I wouldn't suspect the propane hoses on any of your trailers are substantially superior in quality to those that were on my two trailers.
I'd "chock it up" to Chinese quality, replace them and move on just like we all have done with the Chinese quality tires.....
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09-07-2017, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveC7010
The OP's rig is a 5er. The tanks and hoses are in compartments so I would expect zero UV damage on the hoses in a two or three year old unit. Normally, I am very reluctant to just point a finger at Keystone, but since another member said that he also had bad hoses in a 2015 model, I have to wonder a bit.
If the OP truly has the right equipment and skills to replace propane hoses using the original connectors, that's great. But I would generally recommend that others without similar capabilities just replace the whole assembly.
A side note: One of the hoses in my Cougar is very, very short, and it's a knuckle skinner to remove and replace tanks. If I thought the hose needed replacing, I'd get a longer one to make things a bit easier. Any time you have replace something is a good time to consider an improvement.
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The hoses are not that expensive, why not just replace it with a longer one. I have my hoses made at the local propane dealer, as they seem to use better quality hose.
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09-22-2017, 08:38 PM
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Going a little off topic, a squirrel decided to take a couple of bites out my hose the the previous camper. He/she didn't get to the inner hose fortunately. I took it off, went to an RV dealer and they made a new hose. With new fittings I think it ran $12 or so dollars.
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09-24-2017, 02:49 AM
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"Hoses are made in a plant across the alley from the Trailer King plant" Now that's funny I don't care who you are! Roadglide's hoses were probably made from the scraps off the Trailer King floor.....
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09-24-2017, 12:16 PM
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Have to say that any hose I've had fail was from rodents or sun. I just replaced the regulator(driver's) side tank hose this morning with a longer one (15") and relocated that regulator. Keystone - their fault that they used a 11-12 inch hose so that they then had to mount the regulator so close the gas bottle banged against it. The other side - just fine and with a long (18") hose. Neither hose looked bad and have a Marshalltown manufacturing date of 2/13. I'll probably replace the passenger side in the spring.
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09-30-2017, 05:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
ALL of that "stuff" is bought by Keystone from the lowest bidder and every ounce of it is built in China, imported to the US and sold to the "highest bidder". I'd almost bet the that propane hoses are made in a plant across the alley from the Trailer King plant.... Do you really expect to get "USA quality" from a Chinese "may-pop" plant and do you really expect to get longevity from the cheapest stuff on the market???
I replaced the autochangeover regulator on my 2011 Springdale in 2012 and I replaced both the propane hoses on that trailer in 2013, just before we traded it (after the tree fell on it). The autochangeover regulator in the Cougar lasted 2 years and both the hoses on it have been changed (the trailer is 4 years old).
I wouldn't suspect the propane hoses on any of your trailers are substantially superior in quality to those that were on my two trailers.
I'd "chock it up" to Chinese quality, replace them and move on just like we all have done with the Chinese quality tires.....
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Interestingly enough, today I noticed that my propane hoses are made in Canada.
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