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Old 08-27-2017, 06:24 AM   #1
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Avoid Houston area

Major freeways are closed. No point in trying I-10. Lot's of high water rescues. Re-route far to the north.
Lived here all my life and never seen flooding this widespread.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:54 AM   #2
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Prayers are with y'all in TX. Good luck.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:55 PM   #3
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Old 08-28-2017, 05:56 AM   #4
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I'm surprised there wasn't a call for evacuation. Looking at the approach of Harvey, Houston was on the onshore flow side for surge flooding and destructive wind. Rockport and Port Aransas received severe damage. A hurricane at level four calls for getting out of the way. There was certainly adequate warning, especially that this was going to hang onshore and drop even more rain.

It looks like its going sit there for a few more days (as forecast). Sad for the folks. Maybe folks will pull together for a change and donate to the rescue and rebulid effort instead of the destructive demonstrating.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:42 AM   #5
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There's been a good bit of discussion about calling for a general evacuation. The county judge explained it would be impossible to evacuate this many people. He is likely right. I think even with the contra flow evacuation lanes open, the freeways would be gridlocked. I don't think there is a freeway in or out of town that is not flooded closed. A lot of people would be stranded on the road. Given that, it's a neighborhood by neighborhood thing.
You know I haven't seen any T-shirts we are all familiar with being worn by rescue folks. What the volunteer rescue workers are wearing are duck hunting camo clothes in their shallow draft hunting boats. I hate my GoDevil boat is just sitting unused. Probably best though since I'm still zoned out on Hydrocodone.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:54 AM   #6
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I'm certainly no expert in "hurricane evacuations" but I do well remember the evacuation for Katrina and then 2 weeks later for Rita. There were those who didn't evacuate and probably around 50% that did. With that number on the roads "out of town" it was gridlock, bumper to bumper traffic jams and no way to get off the freeways, interstates or even the back roads. There was no gas/diesel along the highways and once a vehicle ran out of fuel, it became a roadblock for others to try to get around, making the gridlock even worse.

I was part of the rescue team that went from the Alexandria VA hospital to the New Orleans VA hospital to evacuate those patients and staff that were stranded on the upper floors with no way out. The devastation we saw along the way down and the feeling of isolation (with no help pending and no hope that things would improve) made the situation even more impossible. There was no way to cope for many who were trapped. It's very much the same around Houston today. People are trapped with no way to evacuate and no improvement to the situation in the days ahead.

Back during Katrina, if you were lucky enough to get "far away" there was no lodging, no place to eat, no place to get out of the weather, so even though you were "out of danger" you weren't "sheltered". Today, in Houston, there's no road out, no way to evacuate, no place to go, even if you could get out of the area. It's a matter of having to come together to care for people "where they are" and in shelters within the city. There is no "follow the blue signs" to the evacuation route. Those roads are flooded and there's no way out.

During Katrina, in Alexandria every hospital, every pharmacy, every care provider was "swamped" with people seeking care, prescriptions for meds they didn't have time to pack before leaving, patients with illnesses, injuries and, yes, even those who were trying to take advantage of the situation to get drugs.

Today, with the evacuation routes and most other roads flooded, people without their necessary meds, clothing, food, and no way to get out of the flooded areas, it's got to be much worse than it was "during Rita" when, at least the roads were still dry.

This is going to be another Katrina (maybe even worse) in the number of lives affected by the storm. Houston will be, like New Orleans, devastated for years to come. It's going to take people working together (not relying on the government to do it all) for the communities affected to care for each other and to survive. I hope all of us can find this a "wake up call" for us to all come together as a nation.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:08 AM   #7
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Very well said John. We evacuated before Rita and Ike. My wife was terrified after watching coverage of Katrina. We went to my brothers house in NW Arkansas. Living east of Houston that gave us jump on folks getting out. We took all back roads through east Texas and up through Shreveport to Arkansas. You have to do some thinking for yourself and decide how to avoid the crowds. Basically do about opposite what TV folks are advising the masses to do.
The Harris County Judge, Ed Emmett, is a well respected transportation expert and I will say he has a pretty good grasp on the situation.
I think it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of thing. They could have called a mandatory evacuation several days before landfall but where in the heck do you house several million people. From our experience every hotel in Dallas will be booked. Some folks can't afford 2 weeks in a hotel.
There are some mandatory evacuations being called for some neighborhoods today. Our county has issued evacuations for the low lying river neighborhoods, but those folks that live there are well aware of their situation. Also a curfew has been set. Texas National Guard called out.
Bottom line is you have to be responsible for your family's safety yourself. If you place your trust in government you are likely to be disappointed.
I feel so sorry for the typical urban/suburban type folks that have no idea how to care for themselves.
We are all good in Liberty, a few streets flooded, a few houses flooded. The lift pumps have been running for 2 days straight, pumping water out of town and over/through the levee. As long as the levee holds I'll be good.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:33 AM   #8
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Gearhaed, glad you're ok and things aren't so bad in your area. Stay safe and dry.

I lived through a hurricane in Houston, don't remember the name, in the early 1980s. I lived in Greenspoint, up around IAH airport. It was a mess back then (traffic), I can't even imagine what it's like now. I don't recall any evacuation. I don't recall it being near this bad. I do recall trying to sleep in my bathtub and hearing a tornado in the middle of the night. The apartment complex I lived in is still there and looking at some pictures posted online looks like water is at least halfway up the first floor. It wasn't that bad then, it wasn't fun still. I feel for those living through this now. And the question is still, how do you evacuate 2.5 million people in the course of a couple days notice? Traffic there is gridlock on a good day, let alone an evacuation.
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Old 08-28-2017, 10:23 AM   #9
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My son self-evacuated early and is still gone from Houston. Fairly easy for him as it was company assisted. New job in Corpus with another evac with the airplane and a hotel in San Antonio. His home in Corpus will close on the 8th and wasn't damaged at all. Lucky.

I just feel sorry for the folks who can't, for whatever reason, leave the area and have no resources to fall back on. So many folks are supply chain dependent for just a day or two. Scary stuff for many Americans when disaster strikes, but American benevolence will kick in to assist.

Meanwhile, we have wildfire smoke and heat here...but who's complaining?
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:21 AM   #10
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I haven't missed any storms in Houston since 1950. First I remember is Carla. That was early 1960's. We evacuated to the high school. My folks are/were all teachers and we were privileged to "camp out" in my uncles wood shop classroom as opposed to sleeping in the hallway. Mostly an adventure for a teen ager.
Yep there is a generation or 2 that would have big trouble surviving more than a couple weeks left to their own devices.
I was wondering about your son. Good to hear he is out.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:52 PM   #11
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A ton of people in this country are one disaster away from living under a bridge

My sister recently moved, from Katy to Spring and the lake behind their house empties in to a creek that is flooded, so water is filling the lake up, from the spill way as well as the normal drainage paths into it.

I just talked to me BIL and he said they have 4 to 5 feet of elevation before the house is in danger, but there is a ton more rain expected.

I read that 7-eleven is matching Red Cross donations, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $150K red cross link

Plenty of folks there are going to need help, glad to see the Cajun Navy is there.

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One of the news commentators today made the statement that more than half of "middle class families" in America don't have $500 in emergency funds and that almost all the "lower income families" have less than $100 of accessible funds. That pretty much means that the majority of people affected by the "Harvey floods" will need significant help in trying to cope with the situation they are in. Whether it's Red Cross, Salvation Army, a church group of some other means of helping fund the recovery efforts, I'm positive those affected by this disaster will appreciate everything we can do to help them.

After all, but for luck or good fortune, every one of us could be facing the same kind of disaster, whether from flooding, fire, earthquake or some other situation that we simply have no means to prevent.
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