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Old 04-02-2017, 12:24 PM   #221
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Unless there is a death or serious injury involved, law enforcement in most states will not do a whole lot. They do have portable scales that they can bring out and weigh things if needed. The real investigation these days comes from insurance companies when they investigate to determine "fault" and who is going to pay.
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:53 PM   #222
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I have a 35' Montana pulling with a 2011 Ford F250 diesel. I weighed the unit and got quite a surprise. I am overweight on the gross weight of the truck and also the rear axlw. Here are the weights.
Truck GVW 10000
Front axle 4940 under by 260
Rear axle 7140 over by 1040
Gross truck weight 12080 over by 2080
Truck and RV 22960 under by 504
Even though the truck and rv is under the gross vehicle weight towing the truck is still overloaded on the rear axle and the total gvw.
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Old 04-02-2017, 01:21 PM   #223
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I have a 35' Montana pulling with a 2011 Ford F250 diesel. I weighed the unit and got quite a surprise. I am overweight on the gross weight of the truck and also the rear axlw. Here are the weights.

Truck GVW 10000

Front axle 4940 under by 260

Rear axle 7140 over by 1040

Gross truck weight 12080 over by 2080

Truck and RV 22960 under by 504

Even though the truck and rv is under the gross vehicle weight towing the truck is still overloaded on the rear axle and the total gvw.


For comparison, my buddy's 2016 F350 SRW has a GVWR of 11,500 and a rear GAWR of 7,100.

Check your tires... that is critical.


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Old 04-02-2017, 05:18 PM   #224
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I have a 35' Montana pulling with a 2011 Ford F250 diesel. I weighed the unit and got quite a surprise. I am overweight on the gross weight of the truck and also the rear axlw. Here are the weights.
Truck GVW 10000
Front axle 4940 under by 260
Rear axle 7140 over by 1040
Gross truck weight 12080 over by 2080
Truck and RV 22960 under by 504
Even though the truck and rv is under the gross vehicle weight towing the truck is still overloaded on the rear axle and the total gvw.

You need a bigger truck for that trailer. I have been looking at Montana's but I won't pull them with my truck; which has higher axle ratings than yours. The proper vehicle for a Montana is no less than a properly equipped 1 ton SRW and, depending on which trailer, a DRW.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:28 PM   #225
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Unless there is a death or serious injury involved, law enforcement in most states will not do a whole lot. They do have portable scales that they can bring out and weigh things if needed. The real investigation these days comes from insurance companies when they investigate to determine "fault" and who is going to pay.
The civil case lawyer will use the insurance company findings as a starting point....
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:01 PM   #226
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I have a 35' Montana pulling with a 2011 Ford F250 diesel. I weighed the unit and got quite a surprise. I am overweight on the gross weight of the truck and also the rear axlw. Here are the weights.
Truck GVW 10000
Front axle 4940 under by 260
Rear axle 7140 over by 1040
Gross truck weight 12080 over by 2080
Truck and RV 22960 under by 504
Even though the truck and rv is under the gross vehicle weight towing the truck is still overloaded on the rear axle and the total gvw.
Just wondering what you have bed besides the hitch?

My 2001 with an 11,500# 5er in tow, only has 5,400# on a 6,084# rear axle. Dry weight is 3,200# which put my pin at 2,200#
If I do backward math 7,140# - 2,750# = 4,390# on your empty rear axle.
Empty TV 4,940 + 4,390 = 9,330# empty for a 2011 F250 that leaves a whooping 670# payload. available on rear axle 6,000 - 4,390 = 1,610# before axle weight rating.
Just need to ask do you have a sideline business as an anvil salesman??
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I forgot to mention that I have a 40 gallon fuel tank in the bed of the pickup.

40 gal x 7 = 280 lbs
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I forgot to mention that I have a 40 gallon fuel tank in the bed of the pickup.

40 gal x 7 = 280 lbs
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Just wondering what you have bed besides the hitch?

My 2001 with an 11,500# 5er in tow, only has 5,400# on a 6,084# rear axle. Dry weight is 3,200# which put my pin at 2,200#
If I do backward math 7,140# - 2,750# = 4,390# on your empty rear axle.
Empty TV 4,940 + 4,390 = 9,330# empty for a 2011 F250 that leaves a whooping 670# payload. available on rear axle 6,000 - 4,390 = 1,610# before axle weight rating.
Just need to ask do you have a sideline business as an anvil salesman??
I for one do understand where you are coming from. Please do qualify.

Brialin has a real world scale ticket saying they are over weight. What have I missed here ? You just can't deny a scale ticket.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:59 PM   #230
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I for one do understand where you are coming from. Please do qualify.

Brialin has a real world scale ticket saying they are over weight. What have I missed here ? You just can't deny a scale ticket.
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So while I will not argue the fact that exceeding the VIN listed GVWR is not a good plan or thing to do, sometimes it just happens.
When we bought our latest 5er I use a highly un-scientific method of determining if my TV would tow it.
The last thing before we signed the papers at the dealer was I required that I hook it up to check bed clearance and squat. If too much squat or unable to get enough bed clearance!
Well bed clearance was good, and with the Factoy Camper Package squat was just over an inch! Completed paperwork and hit the road for the 250 mile drive home, sweet drive pulled great and just a couple wiggles as I needed new ball joints.
Well got the ball joints replaced about two weeks later and went on our first trip. Towed way better with new ball joints like on rails.
Well then I pulled into a closed state weigh station! Well let's just say I was supprised at the TV weight, especially for the way it towed.
I continue to fight to continue with a comfortable package that is only over GVWR, or spend the $$$$$ to get a new 3500, then the choice SRW or DRW!
I see many by newer TV 3500, and add bags because of squat, I don't have bags now as not needed, don't want to something that I have $45,000 or more into and need to band aid the suspension.
I know that I am open for possable tickets, and possable lawsuits, but I have a tough time give up a great TV.
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I doubt if there any difference with RAM in UVW between a 2500 and 3500 if both have air assist. I doubt there is 100# between a 2500 with coils and a 3500 with leaf springs, as coils need locating arms and track bar.

Just one more that doesn't understand the only real difference between a 250/2500 and 350/3500 is the two certification stickers on the drivers side "B" pillar. with the 250/2500 the Class 2 limit is 10,000#, with a Class 3 the limit is 14,000#, with SRW going up to about 12,400#.
That and the 250/2500 base unit might have lower capacity tires, lowering the rear axle rating. They may also have softer springs, but Camper Packages will likely put SRW 350/3500 springs on it

Keep in mind Ford offers a 10,000# GVWR VIN tagged 350 SRW.

Then again test drove a 2017 Ram 3500 SRW Tradesman today with the Cummins 6.7 and Aisin with a 4,000#+ Payload!

The fact that exceeding that labels GVWR, puts you in legal limbo is the biggest issue. As mentioned before Tickets, fines, needed to drop 5er at the side of the road, lawsuits etc..
Just thought I would add a few of the post I have added to this discussion, seem we chased the OP LTS0307 off on Page 7 post #64.

Well for myself I stop from time to time at Oregon State weigh stations, just to keep tabs.

There is no doubt in my mind I am over the Listed 8,800# GVWR of my 2001 Ram 2500. Then again there is only ONE GVWR for 2001 Ram 2500's not the multiples now days.

So weighed the other day sans DW

From VIN
Front GAWR 5,200#
Rear GAWR 6,084# sum of stock 245/75-16E's (3,042#)

Actual
Front 4,500#
Rear 5,400#
Total 10,000#
5er had 9,300# total on axles.
GCVW 19,300#

Trailer,
Dry 9,820#
GVWR 12,360#
Tires Yokohama YK-HTX LT 235/85-16E 3,042#

So no not good, and I no there is no but with many of you.
So the truck was out of the factory with Camper package (3500 rear springs) and optional 265/75-16E tires @3,414# each. Same stinking 8,800# GVWR!
That said this rig tows great, never a white knuckle moment, this on the stock suspension no bags, no Timbrens no need TV still sets better than level hooked up and tows like a dream. Well I did install a set of Bilstien shocks.

Yep, know if at fault in a crash might get sued, likely to happen even if within weight.

The roads I greatly enjoy driving!






This is the 5er and TV in question, yes I have a Pacbrake PRXB.



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Old 04-08-2017, 02:28 PM   #231
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Hey Russ

I agree somewhere down the line in this tread the OP got lost . Sad but true.

I do not agree with how you tow. It is however YOUR choice and only your choice how you choose to do that .

Whether I agree or not with your choices is my problem . I do think you have a great looking combination.

Travel safe and enjoy your time out in it.

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