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05-17-2013, 07:58 AM
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Half Ton Towing
Here's an interesting read on the industry's direction in lighter weight fifth wheels. I'm not sure that all I read is "objectively aimed at half ton trucks" but much of the future for lighter fifth wheels is noted in the article.
http://www.trailerlife.com/rv-traile.../half-ton-fun/
Some of the information is obviously "advertiser related support" by the publisher, I'm just not sure how they can call the KZRV trailer with a dry weight of 9750 lbs a "half ton model" LOL
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05-17-2013, 08:28 AM
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So glad to hear that the manufacturers are still sticking with their Glacier and Arctic Packages stickers. At least one manufacturer is thinking outside the box and calling their unit "Four Season".
And what about Northwood's Fox Mountain? It has R7 in the floor and R18 in the roof. Jayco, on the other hand, has R29 in the floor and R27 in the roof. Not cool Northwood! (Or is it cool?)
And are we to believe that the KZRV at 9740 dry is 1/2T towable? Sure we are.
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05-17-2013, 09:03 AM
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Come on guys .... you know if it's not true they can't put it on the Internet.
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05-17-2013, 11:19 AM
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They make a sticker for that
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05-17-2013, 12:15 PM
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Well the new 2013 f-150 ford can tow 11,300 lbs if equipped right. I should know I just bought one with the ecoboost v-6 motor to pull my 2002 cougar 29.5 ft. That max weight of 8100 lbs. I hope to have enough weight left over to pull my 21 ft alum boat behind. I can be 75 ft nose to tail in Michigan. Have a good weekend.
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05-17-2013, 12:31 PM
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I think it is more of a payload thing than a towing thing.
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05-17-2013, 12:32 PM
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05-17-2013, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3P'sInACougar
Well the new 2013 f-150 ford can tow 11,300 lbs if equipped right. I should know I just bought one with the ecoboost v-6 motor to pull my 2002 cougar 29.5 ft. That max weight of 8100 lbs. I hope to have enough weight left over to pull my 21 ft alum boat behind. I can be 75 ft nose to tail in Michigan. Have a good weekend.
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Wow, do they upgrade the brakes at all?
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05-17-2013, 12:56 PM
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I'm camping right now and don't have the fact sheet in front of me but I believe the payload of the max tow package is just over 2,200 lbs.
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05-17-2013, 01:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy_K
I'm camping right now and don't have the fact sheet in front of me but I believe the payload of the max tow package is just over 2,200 lbs.
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Minus options and stuff.....
I owned one.... I don't anymore, cost me 10K to learn my lesson
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05-17-2013, 02:14 PM
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So an Ecoboost has 800 pounds less "advertised" payload than my 6.7 liter 250.
"Negative ghost rider, that pattern is full"!!!!
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05-17-2013, 06:45 PM
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My payload on my 2013 f-150 ecoboost v-6 is 2600 lbs. I have 273 rear end. 2 wheel drive with hd frame an max tow. I have 7 lug wheels. My gross tow is 11,300 lbs. it is a crew cab with 6.5 box. I ordered it from factory with what I wanted so I could tow my 8100 lbs fifth wheel trailer. It has disc brakes all around an sits on same frame as a 4x4. Just 2 wheel drive. That what factory says it will haul. If you type ecoboost tourture test on YouTube u will see mike row put one through 7 tests.
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05-17-2013, 06:45 PM
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Sorry 2600 lbs is payload in box. Of 2013 f-150
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05-17-2013, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 3P'sInACougar
Sorry 2600 lbs is payload in box. Of 2013 f-150
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Now go look at the sticker on the door post....
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05-18-2013, 01:17 AM
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A 6 Banger
I do hope You pull to the right (lane) and let the cars by I will and think nothing of it with My 5er on. With My Cummins just be cause I drive about 62 MPH. I thought the new Ford was made for gas mileage and light towing. Time will tell just how good they are its a crap shoot but I think the Motor is a tad small for the big 5ers some are pulling and most are maxed out Ford will need to fix a few and that's when the truth will be on the internet about the 6 Bangers Oh MY 6.7 is a 6 also..lol..Bushman
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05-18-2013, 02:15 AM
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JRTJH, thanks for posting. Great to see the passion about the topic get stirred up from time to time!
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05-18-2013, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Javi
Now go look at the sticker on the door post....
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And go weigh truck trailer combo and talk about then. I am sure it will pull it
Hell, I pulled a 16000lb versahandler on a 3500lb gooseneck trailer with a 2000 7.3 PS. It would pull it, didn't make it smart tho. Had some scary moments and I grew in the towel and bought a small flat bed for our road tractors. Totally safe and within limits now.
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05-18-2013, 04:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3P'sInACougar
My payload on my 2013 f-150 ecoboost v-6 is 2600 lbs. I have 273 rear end. 2 wheel drive with hd frame an max tow. I have 7 lug wheels. My gross tow is 11,300 lbs. it is a crew cab with 6.5 box. I ordered it from factory with what I wanted so I could tow my 8100 lbs fifth wheel trailer. It has disc brakes all around an sits on same frame as a 4x4. Just 2 wheel drive. That what factory says it will haul. If you type ecoboost tourture test on YouTube u will see mike row put one through 7 tests.
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Hold on a sec. Ford's F150 towing guide shows a payload of 2,667# for a 4x2 regular cab. The SuperCrew in 4x2, 3.5L EcoBoost has a payload rating of 1,746#. If it is a 4x4, the payload drops to 1,440#. Those numbers are achieved only if the truck has the Heavy Duty PayLoad Option.
Ford doesn't give payload numbers along side their towing info. Payload is found only in the Slide-In Camper section of the guide. Here's a link to the 2013 guide: http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...rv&tt_f150.pdf
With the EcoBoost, the pull ratings vary a lot based on 4x4 vs 4x2, Cab, Wheel Base, but the big factor is the gearing. It ranges from 9,200# up to 11,300#. Presuming that your 8,100# number is GVWR, you are good there.
Ford also clearly states that the weight of the vehicle, passengers and cargo, and the pin weight can not exceed GAWR or GVWR which are on the Safety Compliance Certification label located on the driver's door frame.
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05-18-2013, 10:08 AM
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I'm thinking that someone is gonna be really disappointed....
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05-20-2013, 05:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveC7010
Hold on a sec. Ford's F150 towing guide shows a payload of 2,667# for a 4x2 regular cab. The SuperCrew in 4x2, 3.5L EcoBoost has a payload rating of 1,746#. If it is a 4x4, the payload drops to 1,440#. Those numbers are achieved only if the truck has the Heavy Duty PayLoad Option.
Ford doesn't give payload numbers along side their towing info. Payload is found only in the Slide-In Camper section of the guide. Here's a link to the 2013 guide: http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...rv&tt_f150.pdf
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That's not payload as usually defined.
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Cargo Weight Rating shown in chart is maximum
allowable, assuming weight of a base vehicle
with required camper option content and a 150-
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If you look at the regular F150 brochures, you'll see payloads as normally defined (not including people but including a full tank of gas).
There you'll find that a 4x4 F150 SCrew EcoB can have a payload upto 2310# with the HD Payload option. But you'll want a stripped version, things like moon-roofs will drop that.
The catalogue payload for my 4x2 (FX2) F150 SCab EcoB was 2080# with MaxTow but not HD Payload. The door sticker says 2050# probably 'cause of the 20" wheels. So with care, you can come close to the published payloads.
But most "half-ton" 5ers I've seen have 1200#-1500# pin weight, then you add your 250# hitch and all the gear moved into the belly of the 5er ... I figure 2500# payload would be the minimum. With the HD Payload option, any 4x2 F150 EcoB would do that, and the RegCab 4x4's. But the SCab and SCrew would be touch and go. There's a lot of folks doing it though, and they have the CAT scale #'s to prove that it can be done "legally".
The HD Payload option is important. It not only increases your payload but adds ~400# to your rear GAWR and gives you a much stiffer suspension, including LT tires. I don't think it's possible to tow a light weight, "half-ton" 5er without it. Well, it's possible, but I wouldn't.
The big problem is getting the HD Payload option. It's not available on all F150 models, and you usually have to order it in.
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