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Old 05-01-2017, 06:00 PM   #21
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Socks? Socks, you say? Self respecting child of the 60's that I am I don't wear socks.....But the visual in my mind brought on by you yahoos is making me try to gouge my eyes out!
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:06 PM   #22
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Socks? Socks, you say? ...
Just you wait a few more years, you'll be wearing black socks with your sandals and Bermudas too
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:37 PM   #23
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I had to put traction bars on my truck it was impossible to back up my fifth wheel the axel wrap was so bad it felt like the trans and rear was going to fall out it was so bad. Now my problems came from bigger turbo, larger injectors, larger fuel pump and programers so its my fault. So I had to get a clutch that dose not slip and that is not good for backing up so I called south bend clutch and they recommended traction bars or a dual disc clutch I went with bars and it worked great. Before the bars I had the front drive shaft out and use 4 wheel low. The down side with the bars everyone thinks its a sled puller or drag racing since my bars go from the rear to the rear of the cab. The ride is no worst it is a one ton dually so I don't mind the ride.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:16 PM   #24
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Child of the 60's? I'm betting more flip flops and socks!


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Old 05-02-2017, 03:11 AM   #25
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Ok, what is axle wrap?


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Old 05-02-2017, 03:34 AM   #26
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Tbos, here is a short video showing what it is in forward. Usually it is even worse in reverse, sometimes making the rear tires "jump" on the pavement.
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:12 PM   #27
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Thanks. I didn't really see anything that I would consider abnormal for a rear drive vehicle. I see a lot of trucks out there with no traction bars.


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Old 05-02-2017, 03:08 PM   #28
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Axle wrap is usually only a problem when you are doing hard launches and break traction. Once traction is broken, the "wrapped up" axle then snaps back. The wrapping-and-unwrapping action causes the axle to move up and down... which results in a vicious hopping.

Ladder bars hold the axle and does not allow it to wrap. However, as has been said, the arc of the ladder bar is not the exact same as the arc of the spring travel which can (does) cause some binding. For shorter suspension travel, this binding is less of an issue. On a longer suspension travel the binding is more of an issue.

I have never heard the use of ladder bars on a truck (except maybe a drag racer).

"Traction bars" are similar in function to ladder bars but they are not connected to the chassis -- only to the rear end. They do not have the binding problem, however they don't work as well and try to dig in to the ground under hard deceleration!


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Old 05-02-2017, 03:33 PM   #29
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:15 PM   #30
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I have them on my 2003 dodge its a 6 speed and it would hop like crazy. the bars have helped but if you are backing up on a slope it still hops bad. so i use 4x4 low range. i will be converting to a free spin kit next.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:00 PM   #31
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I have them on my 2003 dodge its a 6 speed and it would hop like crazy. the bars have helped but if you are backing up on a slope it still hops bad. so i use 4x4 low range. i will be converting to a free spin kit next.


That is because when you are backing, the "deceleration" problem I explained above it taking place. "Traction" bars only work under acceleration where the rear-end is trying to roll back. (The traction bars hit the chassis and prevent any further wrap-up.) Under hard deceleration (or backing up hard) the rear-end rolls forward and the front of the bars do not hit anything in order to control the roll. Eventually the wrap-up hits it limit and releases. This wrap-up and release causes the rear-end to move up and down in its travel. This occurs fast and causes the hopping. I extreme deceleration situations, the traction bars can dig in to the ground which can cause an endo. This is why they aren't allowed in most drag racing.

In contrast, ladder bars are fastened to the chassis, so they work in any direction and are superior over traction bars. Their (ladder) downside however is forcing the rear-end to rotate slightly under normal suspension travel -- fighting the natural movement.


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Old 08-07-2017, 08:13 PM   #32
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I think I'll hitch up the travel trailer to the 56 Chevy (car) and do a 1/4 mile pass. But seriously. Advertising most often makes a company money for no real reason.
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Old 08-08-2017, 06:14 AM   #33
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i have 60 inch ladder bars not traction bars so i do not have that issue.
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Old 08-08-2017, 06:29 AM   #34
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I have them on my 2003 dodge its a 6 speed and it would hop like crazy. the bars have helped but if you are backing up on a slope it still hops bad. so i use 4x4 low range. i will be converting to a free spin kit next.
Can you install a 2 Low kit? Not sure if they work on 3rd gens, one of the good things I did to my 2001 5 speed.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:13 PM   #35
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I have them on my 2003 dodge its a 6 speed and it would hop like crazy. the bars have helped but if you are backing up on a slope it still hops bad. so i use 4x4 low range. i will be converting to a free spin kit next.

Could you possibly post a photo of your traction bar setup?

I have the same truck, same transmission. Whenever it gets in anything loose the wheel hop is terrible.
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:47 AM   #36
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Sorry for the delay i just saw this post. I also made custom brackets for my airbags which i will put on in the spring. the hardest part was drilling the holes in the frame i used the bracket has a guide and drilled from both sides to make sure the holes lined up. i had to pull my exhaust off for the right side.
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:19 PM   #37
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That has to help tremendously with wheel hop.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:15 AM   #38
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That has to help tremendously with wheel hop.
It has made a huge improvement but i am still adding a free spin kit so i can use low range and 2wd. It is a six speed with a dual disc clutch so it hops with out the trailer.
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:10 AM   #39
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Every once in a while I see a post on a Ford truck forum and wonder why. Any of the F250 or 350 trucks that I've had have never needed anything like that even with hard launches as at least two were capable of doing with built 460's. They were also used to haul long ago 5ers. The last car that I owned that needed them was a HiPo '68 Torino GT though my current '31 Ford fun car does have 4 link, coil over rear suspension which acts about like traction bars - but better
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:49 PM   #40
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Some newer Dodge trucks have a shock kit available to help control axle wrap. It is a factory part, came stock on certain trucks, but can be installed on one's without. The shock acts like a pinion snubber, but mostly just slows the axle wrap to help control it.

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