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Old 07-25-2018, 08:04 PM   #21
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Got the response back from Bilstein on the 5100s for a stock 2500HD truck:

"Hello,
The 4600 are the only way achieve the OEM ride, and ride height. The 4600 will outperform the 5100 at stock ride height and trim. Most 5100 will not fit or operate correctly at stock ride height."

busterbrown; you are using the 5100s on your stock 4x4 2500 right (front and rear)? Have you towed with them? I think they are a much better shock than the 4600 but don't want to go to the trouble of buying/installing them then hook up the trailer and say "oh crap". I also read the link you provided (thanks). It was interesting. $2k on shocks and aftermarket springs etc. are for "play toys". I used to do those but those were dedicated vehicles. I have no use for that kind of stuff on a "work" (read tow) vehicle.
I PM'd you as I don't want to hijack the OP's thread.
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Old 07-27-2018, 12:33 PM   #22
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I took my trailer up to weigh today and took the long way home to get a feel for the ride. It handled pretty good overall, but I didn't like the chucking action at times.
I went ahead and ordered a set of the Sumo Rebel springs from Amazon. They had the best price I found $417 with tax.

The problem I didn't notice untill after ordering they list ships in 1 to 2 months! Yikes! Now do I cancel the order and go to the next best price I found at $473 and have them in a week? I don't think I want to wait for maybe 2 months.
Anybody find a better price out there? Thanks
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:15 AM   #23
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Wow, I installed Sumo springs a year ago and paid less than $300, but they were one piece, not the Rebels. They not only reduced sag by an inch, but they leveled the truck threw corners. I have about 3/4" before they engage so unloaded ride is unchanged.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:36 PM   #24
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I just bought the Rebels for $398.00 total from Shock Warehouse. Arrived in about a week. I have not towed with them yet but I can tell a difference in the ride even empty.
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Old 07-29-2018, 03:44 PM   #25
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Added Air Bags and shocks

I just installed 4 brand new Rancho 5000X series shocks on my 2011 F250 Super Duty 4WD XL 6.2L Flex Fuel. The shocks are the latest from Rancho and replace the 5000's. Next week I will be installing Air Lift 88396 Air Bags with the Jounce Bumper insite so the can be run without air and no damage to the air bag. I have installed air bags on a F250 Super Duty Diesel, F150, F53 motor home, and a F250 Super Duty Gasser. Have been very happy with air bags. I have towed several 5th wheels and a couple of travel trailers. The air bags made a big difference. Just my 02 cents worth.
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Old 07-29-2018, 06:06 PM   #26
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I just bought the Rebels for $398.00 total from Shock Warehouse. Arrived in about a week. I have not towed with them yet but I can tell a difference in the ride even empty.

You could have kept the price to yourself.

Now I have to keep kicking myself for not finding that web site and paying too much! Thanks
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:47 PM   #27
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I just put timbres on my ‘05 Chevy Duramax pulling an Alpine 3401RS and they work great. When installed correctly, they level the ride nicely. I went with Timbrens over air bags because there is no maintenance and you do not have to constantly adjust them or worry about leaks or tears.
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:49 PM   #28
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I just put timbres on my ‘05 Chevy Duramax pulling an Alpine 3401RS and they work great. When installed correctly, they level the ride nicely. I went with Timbrens over air bags because there is no maintenance and you do not have to constantly adjust them or worry about leaks or tears.
Same reason I went with Timbrens in my 150.
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:04 PM   #29
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I'm considering adding either Timbren of Sumo springs to my Ram 2500. I will be pulling a 5th wheel trailer and was wondering about the experience others have with both of these?
So if you have one of these, how do you like them?


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Your Ram Diesel 2500 does not have the payload capacity to handle a pin weight over 2,000lbs GVWR of Ram 2500 is 10,000lbs.
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:41 PM   #30
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Your Ram Diesel 2500 does not have the payload capacity to handle a pin weight over 2,000lbs GVWR of Ram 2500 is 10,000lbs.

Who said it was over 2,000lbs?

The CAT scale said 1780lbs. The trailer total weight came out to 9,160lbs. Combined weight was 16,320lbs.

They both will go up very slightly as there was no food in the fridg or cabinets.

BTW, my trucks door sticker says payload weight of 2,511lbs and gcvwr of 20,000. I think I'm good.
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Old 08-01-2018, 08:12 AM   #31
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Sumo SuperSrings

I have a 2008 F250 Super Duty crew cab 4x4 SRW with 6.5 foot bed. Long heavy truck and probably not the best choice to pull my 5vr. I have had all my trips to be uneventful for problems and the truck has always drove very smooth. The F250 with the 4x4 suspension I found out has a very fast rear spring rate.. (soft) there for the first 4 to 6 inches of rear spring travel will occur with as little as 900 pounds in the bed about after that the springs start to rest on the over load leaf... I cant complain and it road nice and smooth. I noticed during a pre trip inspection that rear bump stops had been making contact with the spring perch That was very concerning as it indicated I was bottoming out on occasions. I will say the rear of the truck sagged a bit with the 5ver attached about 4 to 6 inches. So I started to do some research on rear suspension up grade options. I decided on the Sumo Spring. I did not want to install air bags, lines, pumps and such. So I spoke with the Tech rep for Super Springs.. Great service!! and they recommended the Sumo Bump stop replacement springs. Easy to install, no maintenance and a great ride empty, loaded is level with great spring travel.
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Old 08-01-2018, 02:43 PM   #32
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These are exactly what I put on my 2010 F250. Looks like the color change over time is the same too.

I found that the most difficult (which wasn't that difficult) part was getting the old bump stops out. The sumos were a piece of cake to put in. How was your experience with the install?
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:15 PM   #33
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Install was very easy.. but I also had the use of the drive on rack at work. I also replaced all of the Cab bushing to a stiffer plastic type of bushing. Between the new cab bushings and the Sumos.. the truck is very firm unloaded and just right loaded. I saved a ton of money with the Daytstar cab bushing kit and the Sumo kit as posed to the more expensive air bags and factory body bushings,although I had to use a torch to cut out the front body bushings... RUSTED
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:28 AM   #34
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Another happy Sumo user. I looked at them vs. the Timbrens and didn't like the reviews on the harsh engagement of the Timbrens so went with the Sumo. When unloaded and going over a bump, I can notice the difference from stock, but no big deal and I long ago got used to it. Loaded there is no bump as they are always engaged.

Not as good as air bags but good enough for my needs.
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:19 AM   #35
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I have a Ram 2500 and a 2018 Cougar 359MBI that has a 2000lbs (ish) pin weight. I am using the Timbren bump stops and have no issues pulling my camper.
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:55 AM   #36
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I like the fact that I only have a factory Camper Package and don't need suspension addons to tow level with a 2,200#+ish Pin on a 12,000#ish 5er. I have the ish's as I have not scaled in the last year since we went full time.
The picture below was taken two days ago on the Oregon Coast fully loaded.

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