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03-10-2018, 07:17 PM
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Truck No Start
just got home from a trip of over 4000 miles. parked the truck in the driveway and next morning started it up to move it. It started up as all ways then loped a few times and died. It would not start back up, acted like the starter was dragging or batteries were dead. I checked the batteries , checked the oil to see if fuel had drained into oil, checked coolant for possible leakage into cylinders, every thing good. I had a tow truck take it to the Ford dealer. Forst thing they said is dropped a injector and is hydro locked. great news I love spending money on this diesel. They called to day and said they found the problem, a/c compressor was locked up and chocked the motor down and would not let it turn over fast enough to start. Not cheap but so much better than motor problem. never seen one do that . it is a 2003 F450 with a 6.0 now you know what I mean about spending money on the motor.
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03-10-2018, 09:19 PM
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Whoa.... that is a strange thing! As "they" say "could always be worse!"
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03-10-2018, 09:54 PM
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F O R D 6.0 diesel, nuff said!!!!
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03-11-2018, 02:41 AM
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Yeah, what Traveller said. After only fifteen years an AC compressor gives up the ghost. That's the direct problem of this particular diesel engine.....really?
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03-11-2018, 03:57 AM
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FWIW, the 6.0 isn’t known for dropping injectors.
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03-11-2018, 04:28 AM
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Hey....GBSB.....I'm betting it the AC compressor! I got that idea from your wife.
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03-11-2018, 06:08 AM
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Good to know it's NOT the Ford 6.0 this time !!! But, I'd have to ask just how strong is that serpentine belt if it can hold back the starter motor because of a bad air conditioner compressor? I'd sure be changing out that belt at the same time as replacing the A/C compressor.
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03-11-2018, 08:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by notanlines
Yeah, what Traveller said. After only fifteen years an AC compressor gives up the ghost. That's the direct problem of this particular diesel engine.....really?
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Yea! Really! Dropping injectors (multiple times), blown head gaskets (multiple times, even after the ARP bolt up grade), among a variety of other problems, so not at all surprising a locked up ac compressor could stop it also. My son had the Excursion with that giant waste of iron under the hood, so I do have 1st hand experience with POS engine.
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03-11-2018, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by travelin texans
Yea! Really! Dropping injectors (multiple times), blown head gaskets (multiple times, even after the ARP bolt up grade), among a variety of other problems, so not at all surprising a locked up ac compressor could stop it also. My son had the Excursion with that giant waste of iron under the hood, so I do have 1st hand experience with POS engine.
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That's NOT what the OP said happened. He said that it ran, towed his trailer home, he parked it without any issues. The next morning, it wouldn't start so he had it towed to Ford for service. They found that the A/C compressor was locked and the STARTER wouldn't develop enough RPM to turn the engine fast enough to start. That's not a 6.0 issue, that's a common problem with all engines. When an accessory is "locked up" any starter (even on a GM diesel) will have difficulty turning the internal components. That's "sort of" like blaming the motor because the battery is dead. It's easy to see the prejudice, but geesh, it's tough to blame the headliner because the rear bumper is rusted......
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03-11-2018, 09:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
That's NOT what the OP said happened. He said that it ran, towed his trailer home, he parked it without any issues. The next morning, it wouldn't start so he had it towed to Ford for service. They found that the A/C compressor was locked and the STARTER wouldn't develop enough RPM to turn the engine fast enough to start. That's not a 6.0 issue, that's a common problem with all engines. When an accessory is "locked up" any starter (even on a GM diesel) will have difficulty turning the internal components. That's "sort of" like blaming the motor because the battery is dead. It's easy to see the prejudice, but geesh, it's tough to blame the headliner because the rear bumper is rusted......
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YUP!! Trick with working on a 6.0 is to have a person that KNOWS that engine. This isn't the thread to discuss the 6.0 reliability but I can say I know lots of people that have one with no issues.
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Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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03-11-2018, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
YUP!! Trick with working on a 6.0 is to have a person that KNOWS that engine. This isn't the thread to discuss the 6.0 reliability but I can say I know lots of people that have one with no issues.
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BTDT.... There's a lot of misinformation about the 6.0. Most are far too quick to jump on the "it sucks" bandwagon when actually, the first year had problems, after that, they turned out to be a very reliable engine "IF" they were properly maintained and "IF" the mechanic who was working on them knew what the heck he/she was doing. Far too much "throw replacement parts because" kind of repairs. There's lots of great information floating around, but here's one "quick read" that puts a lot of the "bad rumors" to rest: https://www.littlepowershop.com/comm...ues-and-fixes/
Of course, if someone is convinced the engine is junk, for them, it probably is. But for anyone who is "reasonable and open minded" understanding the problems and what causes them is the key to a reliable engine.
Now, back to your "regular programming"......
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03-11-2018, 11:57 AM
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I posted this not to bash the 6.0 but to let every one know that if in a similar situation something else to check before calling it quits. Does the 6.0 have a bad rep yes. Is it the best diesel around ,no. But lets face it I hear Duramax injector problems, I hear of Cummins melting pistons because of high exhaust temps. none are perfect, none are exempt from problems. A 15 year old truck pulling a 18,000 pound 5th wheel across the USA is doing good no mater what brand. Accessories go bad no matter what brand, Gas or diesel.
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03-11-2018, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gbsb
I posted this not to bash the 6.0 but to let every one know that if in a similar situation something else to check before calling it quits. Does the 6.0 have a bad rep yes. Is it the best diesel around ,no. But lets face it I hear Duramax injector problems, I hear of Cummins melting pistons because of high exhaust temps. none are perfect, none are exempt from problems. A 15 year old truck pulling a 18,000 pound 5th wheel across the USA is doing good no mater what brand. Accessories go bad no matter what brand, Gas or diesel.
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Yup. Diagnosing a no start can get complicated. Glad it turned out to be a relatively small problem. My ‘94 in sig did the same thing with a 12,000 pound fiver...my hats off to you, may you have many more miles of trouble free towing.
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Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
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03-11-2018, 12:25 PM
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FYI, on my f350, one morning the engine would not turn over, it ran fine the day before. I started at the batteries and found 1 cell in 1 battery was bad. The rest were all good. Before that day I thought the starter would at least get the engine going if only 1 cell was, as I recall in the 10 volt range.
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03-11-2018, 01:52 PM
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My F250 had a 6.0 - also known as the Six Point No.
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03-11-2018, 02:53 PM
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6 uh oh...
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Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
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03-11-2018, 06:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
That's NOT what the OP said happened. He said that it ran, towed his trailer home, he parked it without any issues. The next morning, it wouldn't start so he had it towed to Ford for service. They found that the A/C compressor was locked and the STARTER wouldn't develop enough RPM to turn the engine fast enough to start. That's not a 6.0 issue, that's a common problem with all engines. When an accessory is "locked up" any starter (even on a GM diesel) will have difficulty turning the internal components. That's "sort of" like blaming the motor because the battery is dead. It's easy to see the prejudice, but geesh, it's tough to blame the headliner because the rear bumper is rusted......
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The point being it's a 6.0 that wouldn't start, not too out of the ordinary.
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03-11-2018, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by travelin texans
The point being it's a 6.0 that wouldn't start, not too out of the ordinary.
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It's very much "out of the ordinary" for a Ford to not start. They are just as reliable as any other brand of truck. So, I'm just going to shake my head, walk away and realize that some people are going to complain about Ford, even if they don't own one.....
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03-11-2018, 07:18 PM
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Wasn't claiming all Ford's, just the 6.0!
Drove a Ford everyday for 30+ years at work. And I too will walk away shaking my head, NO to ever owning one.
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03-13-2018, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
YUP!! Trick with working on a 6.0 is to have a person that KNOWS that engine. This isn't the thread to discuss the 6.0 reliability but I can say I know lots of people that have one with no issues.
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I had much better service out of an ‘06 F450 6.0 Maunal transmission than any other truck I have ever owned. I put 240k trouble free miles on it. I wish I could say the same for the ‘15 Ram 3500 and ‘16 F350 I had.
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