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Old 03-02-2016, 10:07 AM   #1
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Drilling holes in my ramp door

Going to drill holes in my ramp door on my carbon 32 to install cables to make a deck. Door is not reinforced does anyone think it will hold or will it rip right through. Going to put a 6 inch backing plate in with the bolts to try to take more of the load. Has anyone tried something similar
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:37 AM   #2
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Glad you're trying it first..
As near as I can tell most of those penetrations go through the aluminum frame around the door. Id be surprised if the Carbon had a substantially different door than other setups. I *think* I've seen Carbons optioned with the ramp patio, but I believe my dealer told me that it wasn't available and wanted to sell a Fuzion.


http://www.coltonrv.com/wp-content/u...07-560x373.jpg

Shows a carbon with the ramp patio. Door doesn't appear to be different..
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:51 AM   #3
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The carbon TT models didn't offer a patio with a reinforced door until this year with the new carbon 35 model. Can't get anywhere with keystone on ordering a patio kit. They won't sell u one unless your unit came factory equipped with a reinforced door or had a previous kit on it. So I'm going to go though jayco and order the patio kit off there octane model. Keystone hasn't been much help with anything
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:37 PM   #4
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Are these the parts that Keystone won't speak about?

http://www.trekwood.com/replacements/43042/Garage


Tried a dealer? I know Keystone doesn't sell parts direct.. Dealers should though..
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Old 03-02-2016, 04:51 PM   #5
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I went that route already. Talked to a lady there named Jennifer and she was gonna source me the parts. She came back after searching and keystone wouldn't let her sell the parts apparently they supply the OEMs. Thanks so much for your efforts though
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Old 03-02-2016, 06:04 PM   #6
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Going to drill holes in my ramp door on my carbon 32 to install cables to make a deck. Door is not reinforced does anyone think it will hold or will it rip right through. Going to put a 6 inch backing plate in with the bolts to try to take more of the load. Has anyone tried something similar
Im going to do the same thing. My door is rated to hold 3000 pounds in the ramp position, weight distributed evenly. If a guy were to attach a couple hooks, reenforced of course I don't see why that door wont hold a few hundred pounds of people or what ever in the level position. Im sure there are some legalities that Keystone is trying to avoid by not selling us patio kits.
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The doors are not strong enough to support the weight like a patio. You will do a lot of damage to the rear door if you try.
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Old 03-03-2016, 06:38 AM   #8
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Steve I am with you, we have a Carbon 31 and I too like having the option to use the door as a Patio in limited capacity. I was at the RV show a week ago and was looking at the hardware required and its not much. I too believe that if the door can withstand loading it should be able to withstand a deck. I have used collapsible saw horses from Lowes or HD to set under my door they are perfect height, I spit a pool noodle and placed over the top of the sawhorse so it would have cushion and reduce and friction on the decals on the door. If there is an issue with the connection point of the cable, then maybe use the saw horse to reduce the weight being applied at these points. I do not have the side rails and I think they are great for safety but it just me and my wife and it makes a great patio to sit and have a cup of coffee or evening drink in a nice chair up off the ground.
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Old 03-03-2016, 06:52 AM   #9
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Gary31,

Your "sawhorse solution" may give you some clues into how well your door would support a patio option. The "cable supports" are attached to the sides of the ramp, not the middle (where your sawhorses are positioned). Have you placed the sawhorses along the sides (90 degrees from their current orientation) of the ramp in the location where the cables would attach?

From what I've seen (I don't own a trailer with a ramp) the ramp that is installed to be used only as a ramp, does not have any "side to side" bracing. That seems to be where all the damage from loading occurs. The ramp that's installed with the patio option (as I understand it) does have "side to side" bracing which prevents the door from "folding up" or "bending" in the middle when a load is applied.

The way you have your saw horses installed would "support the ramp" and "provide the necessary side to side bracing". If you install cables on the sides, remove your sawhorses, you may find the door bowing or possibly folding along the center "vertical" part.

You might want to experiment with the sawhorses along the sides (under the aluminum molding) to see how much "bow" you get in the center of the ramp.
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Old 03-03-2016, 07:21 AM   #10
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Steve,
I have not experimented with placing them vertical along the edges and will do so to check the flex of the door. I can say that regardless of flex placing the sawhorse center of the door along with the cable support should eliminate any folding during load. Once again its just the two of us and we are not "partying" and jumping up and down like I am sure happens when these doors fail. It is more likely that they were overloaded and abused. I thought I would show you my solution and our ability to utilize the area, I intend on carrying the folding horse even if I add the cable supports just because they do not take any space and are super light.
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