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Old 09-14-2013, 09:02 AM   #1
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2011 Toyota Tundra

We recently purchased a 2011 Toyota Tundra (Platinum Edition) with the towing package on it. I checked with Toyota and told it was rated to tow up to 10,000 lbs. We also purchased a 2008 Laredo 5th Wheel which is around 7800 lbs Dry Weight. The dealer told me we could add 1000 lbs to the towing weight since it's a 5th wheel, making the towing capacity 11,000 lbs. I've pulled the 5th wheel a couple of times (loaded and unloaded) and the Tundra handled it fine. Got 12-14 MPG towing it. Does anyone have any experience using the Toyota Tundra as their towing vehicle? I know they were initially rated higher by Toyota and then reduced a few years ago.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:28 AM   #2
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Look up Tundra on this Forum, also their are Tundra Forums with a great deal of information. Taking truck and trailer to a weight scale as I have done will give you the information you need to know on how safe the truck and trailer are on the road. Below is what I found for my combination: My Tundra is a 2012 Twdr, 4.6V8 with tow package, rated at 8,200 towing and 14,000 Gross Combined Weight Rating (Truck & Trailer Max). My TT shows a max weight of 7,200. You want to find your pin rating for your 5th wheel and max weight your truck can carry to see how much weight is left for what you are going to put in truck.
As far as the Tundra as a tow truck wife and I love the truck, it does a great job, comfortable on the freeway, climbs hills with no problem and is an easy truck to use on a day to day bases.

8/24/13
Tundra Scale Weigh Max Weight Un used Weight
Full Tank Cheryl & I only 5560 6700 1140
Front Axel 3220 3900 680
Rear Axel 2340 4000 1660


On way home from Richardson
Front Axel 3100 3900 800
Rear Axel 3180 4000 820
Total Tundra, trailer attached6280 6700 420

Trailer Attached Weight 5500 7200 1700
(Four Wheels at center Scale)
Total Tundra and Trailer 11780 14000 2220

Tundra weight difference
Just truck then with trailer 720
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:32 AM   #3
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Search on this forum, rv.net, and tundrasolutions.com and you will find all the information and more on towing and the tundra. I tow one and don't have any issues, but I live in flat Florida.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:09 AM   #4
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The dealer, if it was the Toyota dealer that you were referring to was blowing smoke. You can not increase the capacity of the truck. Hitch weight is hitch weight regardless if it's in the form of a conventional tow with WD or a 5th Wheel hitch sitting in the bed. You need to seriously look at the pin weight of the fiver because that is going to figure in to the payload capacity of the truck.The shortcoming of that truck and any 1/2 ton truck is payload. It is what it is. If you have run the numbers and feel you are within the payload and axle ratings of the truck, great. Even if you are over, it's obviously a done deal. You may be limited in what you load in the front pass through and still be within weight limits. I would definitely make a run over a CAT Scale with the trailer loaded to see where you are really at and load the trailer accordingly. I've seen people towing fivers with Tundras so it is being done. How safely it's being done is unknown to me so I won't comment on that. My personal opinion is that there are very few fivers that when fully loaded will not exceed the payload capacity of any 1/2 ton truck. All that being said, I'm not bashing Tundra. I owned two of them and loved them and pulled an Outback 277RL with the 5.7L version, and it did quite well. I traded it for a F250 for more payload and flexibility to upgrade, not because it wasn't a great truck.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:17 AM   #5
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I have never heard that towing a fith wheel actually increases a truck's towing capacity. Sounds like a car salesman gimmick. Weight is weight. The total weight of the trailer you are looking at is within your TV towing capacity without this "extra" 1000#. I would be more concerned with the pin weight combined with the weight of the hitch and cargo compared to the maximum carrying capacity of your truck.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:09 AM   #6
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I can't speak for the Tundra but for my F250 - Fords Towing guide for Maximum Loaded Trailer Towing shows a difference of 1,900 lbs Conventional vs 5th Wheel Towing:

2013 6.7L F250 SRW 4X4 3.55 axle
Conventional Towing max = 14,000
5th Wheel Towing max = 15,900

I realize this is just one dimension but in respect to tow load they do show a difference.
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:26 PM   #7
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Good point and I know this true with 3/4 and 1 ton. My 2500 also has 1000# more towing capacity with a 5th wheel. Consequently, I checked my owners manual and the 1/2 ton Silverado actually has 100#-1200# LESS towing capacity with a 5th wheel. The largest difference is with 4WD EC long box, 3.42 rear with a tow rating of only 8100# for a 5er. Obviously, I am not trying to compare a Silverado and Tundra as I am sure the actual ratings are different. Maybe the Toyota does have a higher towing capacity with a 5th wheel. I was just suprised that the Chevy 1/2 ton has a lower towing capacity with a 5er.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:30 AM   #8
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I am sure the difference is in the stability of a fiver over a TT. Much less tail wagging the dog.
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There was nothing in my Toyota manual about increasing the towing capacity with a fiver. The salesman was blowing smoke.
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:34 AM   #10
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if your happy with the setup and it pulls well for you thats 80% of the game right there.

You can go to the scales and find out if your legal or not but you may not hear what you want to. Your issue comes in if something goes wrong and you are in an accident. Worse yet you run into someone who is part of the weight police and they call you on it and there are enough of them out there. I would not even think of traveling in the US unless I knew for sure I was legal. There are many cases right now where people are being charged with dangerous driving, vehicular manslaughter and wrongful death suits. I camped the long weekend with a guy who came over to school me on it when he looked at my half ton towing my sprinter 266. Showed him my slip from the weigh scale and the conversation got better. He has a friend who is in trouble, lost almost everything in an accident in Texas. His insurance walked away from it, covered the other persons expenses and now suing him for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle and looking to claim the expense back. The guy is 68 and bankrupt working as a Walmart greeter in Florida while trying to get back into his old profession and fighting the insurance company.

Not trying to scare anyone, I walk the same line myself. But will have a 2500 truck before I go outside my province. I know I am legal here and have the wiggle room but you start traveling and buying stuff not thinking about a 100 pds here and 100pds there and the next think you know your over.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:29 PM   #11
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The towing regs (of which I now can can't remember official name) were supposed to set up so that all manufactures had to comply and level the playing field so to speak.

Toyota is the only manufactures that officially complied and that resulted in them lowering their ratings slightly (about 10-15% IIRCC).

The big 3 decided that they would not comply (until a totally redesigned model was due to release) and therefore their ratings are still unrealisticly high according to the rquirements of the new towing regs.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:08 PM   #12
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The towing regs (of which I now can can't remember official name) were supposed to set up so that all manufactures had to comply and level the playing field so to speak.

Toyota is the only manufactures that officially complied and that resulted in them lowering their ratings slightly (about 10-15% IIRCC).

The big 3 decided that they would not comply (until a totally redesigned model was due to release) and therefore their ratings are still unrealisticly high according to the rquirements of the new towing regs.
These are not regulations just suggest guide lines by SAE. Therefore they are not enforceable but the manufactures usually will abide by them over time. And the lawyers love to misinterpret them all the time. I had four or five depositions of OPS (operator protective systems) systems on woods machines in my career at Caterpillar when I worked on woods machines. The lawyers would quote an SAE guideline out of content and you need to explain to them how it did not pertain to this or that product.

I just loved it lost two or three days of honest work because of them.

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