Succinct towing info

[ctbruce]

I couldn't have said it better. Some good info to while away the winter doldrums and cabin fever.
https://youtu.be/-IBtVdr0Iyc

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[Hodgy]

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Good video, lots of common sense at the beginning. I got lost in all of the numbers he was giving on the mods he did to his truck. And oh yes, he ran a red.

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[sourdough]

Good video, thanks for posting. For folks new at towing I think it brings up lots of good info and the comments at the bottom are beneficial as well. Of course, there are still those that will swear by anything/everything to make themselves believe they are "OK". Good on you.

[Rolling Along]

This fellow is ignorant! He started out commenting “legally” and he had no clue what “legally” is. The door sticker has NO legal authority. It certifies that on the date of manufacture it met ... one can buy a brand new truck and before taking delivery can have the dealer install fancy after market rim and tires that no way met the specs of the sticker and be perfectly legal. My F150 is legal to 10,000lbs because that is what it is registered to even if the way it is set up there is no way I would load it to that.

Legal is what it is registered for. I could have registered it for 6000lbs if I would have wanted. I see 3/4 ton trucks that no way they could safely haul what the sticker says sitting sky high while going down the road with tires that would no doubt explode if loaded to sticker weights.

The sticker is used for extra taxation/fees if over 26000 lbs even if truck is heavily modified for show purposes and unable. The local milk haulers buy class 8 trucks and add an air axle or two and the door tag stays original and when stopped it is axle weights, not sticker weights law enforcement is concerned about.

The fellow making that video was so full of it I’m surprised he could breath.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Rolling Along

This fellow is ignorant! He started out commenting “legally” and he had no clue what “legally” is. The door sticker has NO legal authority. It certifies that on the date of manufacture it met ... one can buy a brand new truck and before taking delivery can have the dealer install fancy after market rim and tires that no way met the specs of the sticker and be perfectly legal. My F150 is legal to 10,000lbs because that is what it is registered to even if the way it is set up there is no way I would load it to that.

Legal is what it is registered for. I could have registered it for 6000lbs if I would have wanted. I see 3/4 ton trucks that no way they could safely haul what the sticker says sitting sky high while going down the road with tires that would no doubt explode if loaded to sticker weights.

The sticker is used for extra taxation/fees if over 26000 lbs even if truck is heavily modified for show purposes and unable. The local milk haulers buy class 8 trucks and add an air axle or two and the door tag stays original and when stopped it is axle weights, not sticker weights law enforcement is concerned about.

The fellow making that video was so full of it I’m surprised he could breath.

I think I'm breathless too!!

I don't know everything there is to know but you have an F150 with a 10k gvw rating? Anymore there probably is one but, if you don't mind, what is yours? Pic of the sticker?

I do think I like the way you think...I think. As has been stated, and is in the books as I've seen, you can modify anything you want with heavier components but until you have that vehicle certified again the stickers still prevail (milk trucks adding extra axles and all of a sudden gain more weight capacity) as far as I know. Add an axle; throw on an extra 8k and you're overweight and get stopped. Do we think the transportation officer is going to crawl under the truck and try to find/read all the tags on the axles? I've not seen one that does it.....he reads the labels. What am I missing?

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by sourdough

I think I'm breathless too!!

I don't know everything there is to know but you have an F150 with a 10k gvw rating? Anymore there probably is one but, if you don't mind, what is yours? Pic of the sticker?

I do think I like the way you think...I think. As has been stated, and is in the books as I've seen, you can modify anything you want with heavier components but until you have that vehicle certified again the stickers still prevail (milk trucks adding extra axles and all of a sudden gain more weight capacity) as far as I know. Add an axle; throw on an extra 8k and you're overweight and get stopped. Do we think the transportation officer is going to crawl under the truck and try to find/read all the tags on the axles? I've not seen one that does it.....he reads the labels. What am I missing?

People think that register their truck for more than the GVWR increases their allowed GVWR on the truck and they nice gray hair lady behind the counter down the state office can allow a truck to exceed the factory ratings. Ever state I have check you pay for tags to tow GCWR, not GVWR. My 1 ton was registered for 28M (28,000 pounds) that doesn't mean I can load 28,000 pounds in the back of the 1 ton pickup, all that means it's by combine weight between my truck and trailer could not exceed 28,000 but all specs on the Federal Compliance Sticker like GVWR, GAWR still can't be exceeded while carrying the 28,000 GCWR. The last truck I carried a 12M (12,000 pounds) since they only thing I hauled was RV and they were exempt in my state for the tag weight requirements.

The yellow tag on your door jam is not a legal since you can load more weight then on the sticker. The Federal Compliance Sticker and the listing of the GVWR on your trucks title are legal docs. Say you remove the bed on your truck which would decreade your curb weight below what is was when it left the factory and attach your hitch to the frame you could exceed the yellow sticker but still stuck with GVWR.

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

People think that register their truck for more than the GVWR increases their allowed GVWR on the truck and they nice gray hair lady behind the counter down the state office can allow a truck to exceed the factory ratings. Ever state I have check you pay for tags to tow GCWR, not GVWR. My 1 ton was registered for 28M (28,000 pounds) that doesn't mean I can load 28,000 pounds in the back of the 1 ton pickup, all that means it's by combine weight between my truck and trailer could not exceed 28,000 but all specs on the Federal Compliance Sticker like GVWR, GAWR still can't be exceeded while carrying the 28,000 GCWR. The last truck I carried a 12M (12,000 pounds) since they only thing I hauled was RV and they were exempt in my state for the tag weight requirements.

The yellow tag on your door jam is not a legal since you can load more weight then on the sticker. The Federal Compliance Sticker and the listing of the GVWR on your trucks title are legal docs. Say you remove the bed on your truck which would decreade your curb weight below what is was when it left the factory and attach your hitch to the frame you could exceed the yellow sticker but still stuck with GVWR.

States register vehicles different ways, I know in Washington you can register to a higher GVWR, than listed on the VIN sticker. That is the GVWR for the vehicle not a combined weight of truck and trailer.
I have not dug into it in Oregon yet.
The yellow idiot sticker is only of value when looking at a new TV on the dealers lot! Once in the hands of the owner stuff added or removed from the TV change that number.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

States register vehicles different ways, I know in Washington you can register to a higher GVWR, than listed on the VIN sticker. That is the GVWR for the vehicle not a combined weight of truck and trailer.
I have not dug into it in Oregon yet.
The yellow idiot sticker is only of value when looking at a new TV on the dealers lot! Once in the hands of the owner stuff added or removed from the TV change that number.

What you saying is the lady behind the counter can at the county office has the authority to change you GVWR set by the design engineers. So if I have an F250 and register for 14,000 pounds that would exceed not only GVWR but the tire and axle rating that's on Federal Compliance Sticker that required by the Federal Government. Remember, According to the federal highway traffic safety admin. 49 CFR 567.7 says that a trailer or truck GVWR certification cannot be changed once the vehicle has been titled. I'm from Washington and good friend of mine is a sheriff and he ran through legal and that is GCWR and you can NOT exceed the manufacturer specs of the truck or trailer. It's hard for me to believe that some lady that has been working at the county office for couple months had the knowledge to increase GVWR of trucks by thousands of pounds that as assigned by engineers working at the factory that actually did the testing.

Yes the yellow sticker is worth anything and only used to compare trucks on the lot. The federal complance sticker is what you go by the day you drive it off the lot.

[Rolling Along]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

People think that register their truck for more than the GVWR increases their allowed GVWR on the truck and they nice gray hair lady behind the counter down the state office can allow a truck to exceed the factory ratings. Ever state I have check you pay for tags to tow GCWR, not GVWR. My 1 ton was registered for 28M (28,000 pounds) that doesn't mean I can load 28,000 pounds in the back of the 1 ton pickup, all that means it's by combine weight between my truck and trailer could not exceed 28,000 but all specs on the Federal Compliance Sticker like GVWR, GAWR still can't be exceeded while carrying the 28,000 GCWR. The last truck I carried a 12M (12,000 pounds) since they only thing I hauled was RV and they were exempt in my state for the tag weight requirements.

The yellow tag on your door jam is not a legal since you can load more weight then on the sticker. The Federal Compliance Sticker and the listing of the GVWR on your trucks title are legal docs. Say you remove the bed on your truck which would decreade your curb weight below what is was when it left the factory and attach your hitch to the frame you could exceed the yellow sticker but still stuck with GVWR.

In Ohio to register a pickup commercially one must register the GCW of truck and trailer so if I was to do what I used to I would be required to have my F150 registered for 14,000lbs. Since I don’t I have it for 10,000 lbs. anything over 10k one is by law required to also have a fuel tax number, and sticker and pay the commercial fuel tax. When I talked personally to the head of the state DOT I asked him how all the F250/350 landscape/lawncare folks were getting by with out the fuel sticker he said! “It’s the law but we just haven’t started enforcing it yet.”

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Rolling Along

... he said! “It’s the law but we just haven’t started enforcing it yet.”

That is my biggest concern with advising new members on this forum to "go ahead and exceed your ratings"... Each state has different laws and each state has a different method of enforcing the law. What "works in Texas" may get you put in jail in Vermont and may get you fined in Michigan while it's ignored in Idaho....

I think (YMMV) that it's a "slippery slope" to advise anyone to ignore the manufacturer's limits on any vehicle. Without knowing their state laws, their personal financial situation, their business involvement, their insurance history, their vehicle condition (the list could go on forever) not a one of us is able to give them a "path to make it work" in their specific situation.

I can "legally" pull my boat behind my Cougar in Michigan with the current law, the maximum length is 75'. As soon as I cross into Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota or Wisconsin, I'm "technically illegal" since my combined length is 73'9". I've heard everything from, "If you're legal in your home state....." to "They don't go after out of state vehicles" to "You'll be impounded if they stop you and measure" and that list also goes on and on....

Truth is, on any given day, millions of people break the law and nothing happens. But, on any given day, a few people get "nailed" for breaking those same laws...... Which will you be on a given day? Somebody in another state, behind a keyboard is not the best person to be advising you on where you stand........ As I said, YMMV.....

[ctbruce]

Oh oh! Here we go! This will be good. We've not had this discussion before. Everybody play nice.

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[sourdough]

Originally Posted by ctbruce

Oh oh! Here we go! This will be good. We've not had this discussion before. Everybody play nice.

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I was thinking it had been a week or so since we talked about this stuff so maybe we could talk about it....again

Actually the post brings up some things that come up from time to time that are interesting to discuss. Playing nice here, just looking for feedback.

[notanlines]

We like ours with real butter, but just lightly salted.....

[Bolo4u]

Originally Posted by notanlines

We like ours with real butter, but just lightly salted.....

Sprinkle some Parmesan cheese on your popcorn too...


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[JimQ]

Jim , I just got an aisle seat behind you. Let the feature begin! Lol

[Ken / Claudia]

Being a member of the weight police that actually was trained and weighted vehicles, I will say that there are many trucks that have a aftermarket co. certified the trucks to a higher or lower weight ratings, they apply a sticker that shows that. It is a federal standards sticker, same as the factory white one theirs are yellow. Most common on all trucks sold as a cab/chassis IE frame rails only. Then the motorhome co or truck co adds a box, bed, etc and puts their sticker on the truck. Added tag axles on vehicles over 26,001 is another such truck. If looking at a comm vehicle 10,000 plus, 1st is the declared weight done at DMV or PUC office. 2nd count and check size of all wheels/tires on ground for weight carrying ability. Maybe measure axle spread in feet. Check weight on scale.
Always some common sense applies, when a f350 comes though that says 10,000 lbs but, the guy added wide fenders and another wheel/tire on rear axles it will now go GVW to around 12,500 depending on the tires. In that case, I could never win a case of overloaded in court when the guy shows the the court what he did and how it increased the carrying weight.
We just look for the proper weight he paid for which should be in that case 12,000 to 14,000, here you buy in 2,000 lbs, until the vehicle is over 13,500 it passes. Your state may be different. Here if under 26,001 the driver/owner tells DMV what his GVW is, since more weight costs more money, many get tickets for not paying proper weight but, real GVW of truck is not overloaded.

[Pull Toy]

Like my ol' gran'pappy used to say "PUT PEARLS AND LIPSTICK ON A PIGLET, IT'S STILL A PIGLET!"

The old adage still applies THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK!

from a Former LEO!

Good Luck,

[gearhead]

Hold the butter, just a little Tony's on mine.
I know everywhere is different but...we don't choose what weight we register our trucks for. I don't think anyway. We buy a truck, a couple weeks later we get the plates. A year later we get the renewal notice, go pay $78 or whatever and get the new sticker. I never had a clerk ask me what weight I wanted it registered for. It is what it is. Can't be much difference between a half ton and a dually. I never noticed or got alarmed at the license cost.

[madmaxmutt]

Originally Posted by gearhead

Hold the butter, just a little Tony's on mine.
I know everywhere is different but...we don't choose what weight we register our trucks for. I don't think anyway. We buy a truck, a couple weeks later we get the plates. A year later we get the renewal notice, go pay $78 or whatever and get the new sticker. I never had a clerk ask me what weight I wanted it registered for. It is what it is. Can't be much difference between a half ton and a dually. I never noticed or got alarmed at the license cost.

One thing I miss about Tejas, is vehicle registration cost. $1200+ for my F350 in Colorado. DW's Explorer was $800+. That is a year mind you . . .

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by madmaxmutt

One thing I miss about Tejas, is vehicle registration cost. $1200+ for my F350 in Colorado. DW's Explorer was $800+. That is a year mind you . . .

Front range mania run amok IMO. I've loved the state since the 60's but things have sure gone downhill.