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Old 04-05-2016, 05:19 AM   #1
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Are the premium models really better?

Hello, we are shopping and have looked at the Fuzion 345. We are also considering the Grand Design Momentum but my questions refer strictly to the Fuzion.

Keystone calls the Fuzion and Raptor their premium TH models. Maybe someone can explain what that means.

Are the premium models build on separate lines? Separate factories? I doubt there could be substantial differences if they roll off the same lines in the same factories.

They mention screwed rather than stapled construction, is it true?

What about wall and roof construction and insulation?

In summary, I am willing to pay for quality but I want to be sure I am getting quality and not just glitz. I have found the factory website to be very lacking in information regarding construction and quality.

This RV will be used for long term part time and maybe future full time living.

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Old 04-05-2016, 06:44 AM   #2
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I bought a Fuzion on the same premise that they were the premium quality RV over the other brands. When I got into the guts of the trailer I was disgusted with the way they built it. A couple for instances are; the wall sockets. The hole was cut for the electrical outlet with a around hole saw, one over the top of the other rather than a rectangular hole. Now the socket does not fit tight to the wall without bending inward. All the interior cuts were done with a router and great big holes for all the pass throughs for pluming and such. The drawer supports were only held together with one screw per level on one corner, the drawers were not secure and fell to the left side. The ramp door is just plain junk.

They look great from the birds eye but when it is all said and done, there is no building code on an RV so there is really no standard to adhere to. The only thing they know is how many can we build today.

My advice to you is to get onto the guts of one and decide for your self. A quick way to see if they did a good job or not is to pull one of the outlet covers off and have a look there. That will give you some indication of the quality put into building that coach.

Good luck
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:57 AM   #3
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What I have found, is with quality, comes cost. A $30,000 RV is the same, no matter the manufacturer or model. But, even at that, just because it costs more, you may still not be getting higher quality, maybe the higher cost is nothing more than just adding fancy options. If you are looking for higher quality, you must also be willing to pay much more.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:32 AM   #4
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I think I believe the same thing.
Dealers sell trim level as "quality". It's not. It's just more options and better finish out.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:05 PM   #5
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You really need to do your homework when comparing units, and sometimes it really does seem like "apples and oranges". If you're not sure, bring an experienced RV friend with you to pick apart features, and stare and compare.

Keystone lists Montana and Alpine as Premium 5'ers. In most cases, they're probably built on the same line by the same workers, just like Suburbans and Escalades, but have higher end appliances and utilities. As far as I know, Montana and Alpine are the only units that have a stock Heat Pump / AC unit combo's for the rear unit. Also check for Electric / Gas 10 gallon "fast recovery" hot water combo, Stainless Steel appliances, Corean countertops, dove tailed drawers, with quality slide type drawer supports, and upgraded hardware.

When all is said and done, only you can decide what works for you, but don't be afraid to ask questions, both of your dealer, and of us.

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Old 04-05-2016, 04:09 PM   #6
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Customer, let's compare this situation to a Chevy pickup just for an example. You do realize that a plain Silverado 1500 at 33,000 is made in a different plant than a Chevy Denali at 60,000 and will only last half as long. Better engines, better transmissions, better paint.
What? They're not? Well, go figure. Huh, for twice the money I'd a thought they'd have been built at another location with a lot better ingredients. Trailers like that maybe?
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Old 04-05-2016, 04:42 PM   #7
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This question is about as long as it is wide.

I think the one of the posters above had it right. If you want to pay 30k for A, you will get about the same thing if you buy it from B, C or D. Materials, techniques etc. are all the same. Pay grades are about the same and complaints about every manufacturer are there. Frames are going to be about the same given the same type unit although suspensions may differ; ie; "premium".

Premium, in a brand line, will allude to possible added insulation, covered underbelly's, 2 ACs vs 1; larger, fancier appliances, countertops, doors etc. Cabinet construction differs; trim definitely differs; and on and on.

The only way to know that you are getting what you perceive as "premium" is to determine what that consists of in your mind and then insure that the potential purchase has it.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:52 PM   #8
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You can buy a Chevy truck or a GMC truck. One is standard, the other is premium. Is one better than the other? You decide. They may be the same frame, engine, etc. but the GMC has leather and more comfortable seats, deluxe gages, fancy do-dads. Which is better? Both are fine. It just depends on what you want.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:19 PM   #9
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Having previously owned RVs from many builders for over 40 years I researched Heartland, Forest River, and Keystone. I spent time in 5ers of many brands of those 3 builders. MOST 'premium' 5ers were much larger than 2 people needed ~ we do not need to sleep 8 - 12 or need 40'+ that requires a 1 ton dually. There are only so many component manufacturers so you will get either a Thetford or Dometic toilet, black appliances or stainless but only a few manufacturers of each. Digging inside I think I found entry level units quality lower than the standard level which justified the extra costs. There was some additional quality in some premium models over the standard but most ~ not all~ was fluff. I liked the Keystone Alpine and Heartland Landmark but not the length, weight, or cost. We found a standard ~~ Cougar ~~ to meet all our expectations. We had planned on a Rockwood by Forest River until we saw the Cougar. Both are standard and the Cougar priced a little higher but had so much more (including auto-level). Comparing it to the premium models the additional cost did not justify the additional slight benefits in our minds.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:07 PM   #10
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The main differences you will see on premium units are items such as cherry or oak cabinets vs a press board with vinyl wood look covering. Maybe some items such as leather vs cloth furniture, cedar lined closets, upgraded fixtures, better insulation or heated underbelly/tanks, larger hot water heater, upgraded pin box, 4 step entry...etc. Probably the biggest difference/cost is a gel coat exterior finish. It is a nicer looking finish and, IMO, easier to keep clean and new looking. I've owned different levels of RVs and will say that I love the premium/luxury lines.
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