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11-12-2019, 05:33 PM
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It's going to be a long, cold winter.....
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Marshall
2012 Laredo 303 TG
2010 F250 LT Super Cab, long bed, 4X4, 6.4 Turbo Diesel
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11-12-2019, 05:44 PM
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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11-12-2019, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rhagfo
Tugger, I find it interesting that you state a 3500 SRW has stronger springs than a 2500, then post in your signature you run Air Bags with a 13,000# 5er!
I carried a 12,500# scaled 5er with a 2001 Ram 2500, with a 2,700# pin and never needed Bags.
I have a friend that has a 2016 Ram 2500, carrying a 40' Big Horn, and towed level without bags, was going on a long trip and added them. In the end he felt the bags were a waste of money.
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Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger
This from someone who admits to towing overweight? Hmmm...Oh wait you had the correct tires for that set up. OK, got it. I guess your friend went to the same school as you.
The bags help with the ride, worth the money to me.
RMc
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Yes, towing 1,700# over GVWR, but under both axle ratings, and way far under tire ratings.
All I changed in the suspension was to replace the factory shocks with Bilstein 5100's far better dampening than the stock.
It has always been my understanding that shocks smooth the ride, springs support the load. The truck supported the load just fine.
That is now past now tow and carry with a 2016 Ram 350 DRW, still no bags.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
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11-12-2019, 06:11 PM
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11-13-2019, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rhagfo
Yes, towing 1,700# over GVWR, but under both axle ratings, and way far under tire ratings.
All I changed in the suspension was to replace the factory shocks with Bilstein 5100's far better dampening than the stock.
It has always been my understanding that shocks smooth the ride, springs support the load. The truck supported the load just fine.
That is now past now tow and carry with a 2016 Ram 350 DRW, still no bags.
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The reason your axles exceed the GVWR is because the manufacturer provided load capacity reserves with them so you would not exceed them with some uneven loads. It was never intended as an option to exceed GVWR because the GVWR is the ultimate limiter. There is no telling what you’re destroying being that far over GVWR until it fails
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11-13-2019, 05:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhagfo
Yes, towing 1,700# over GVWR, but under both axle ratings, and way far under tire ratings.
All I changed in the suspension was to replace the factory shocks with Bilstein 5100's far better dampening than the stock.
It has always been my understanding that shocks smooth the ride, springs support the load. The truck supported the load just fine.
That is now past now tow and carry with a 2016 Ram 350 DRW, still no bags.
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Originally Posted by CWtheMan
The reason your axles exceed the GVWR is because the manufacturer provided load capacity reserves with them so you would not exceed them with some uneven loads. It was never intended as an option to exceed GVWR because the GVWR is the ultimate limiter. There is no telling what you’re destroying being that far over GVWR until it fails
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Well didn't seem to be destroying anything. While I was towing this way I never encouraged others to do it, but with the manual trans and camper package the truck had the same suspension and axles as the 3500 DRW.
CW, glad you brought up the "Reserve" so one would not exceed axle ratings while under GVWR.
My 2001 Ram 2500 had a GVWR of 8,800# and a rear axle rating of 6,084#, so my axle was rated at 69% of GVWR.
New Ram 3500 SRW have 7,000# rear axle and a 12,300#GVWR, so that axle is 57% the payload is 4,400# and base rear axle weight is 3,005#, so with a 150# driver, you can overload the rear axle, and be within GVWR. This is for a 2019 Ram Tradesman 4X4 crew cab 8' box. I got info from this chart.
https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...AL_2-06-18.pdf
So while your statement was true in the past, not so much now days with the GVWR wars.
Never said I was right towing over GVWR, but the fact that I could be 1,700# over GVWR and still under both front and rear axle ratings, says a lot about how the rating wars are pushing the limits.
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