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Old 10-11-2018, 08:22 AM   #1
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New 5th Wheelers | Keystone Laredo and Dodge 2500

Greetings! We are excited to find this community and look forward to the support and wisdom of experienced RV’ers as well as stories and advice from newbies like us.

While we are new to 5th wheels, we are not new to RV-ing. Nearly ten years ago, we had a toy-hauler trailer and miraculously survived a wreck along an area in AZ known as “The B-Line.” This pass is known to have bad gusts, and our trailer swayed itself around and into a cemi truck in the lane beside it. Thankfully, the driver saw what was happening and accelerated out of the way as the truck/trailer spun into both guardrails. Truck and trailer were totaled, but nothing flipped and no serious injuries. We were ill-researched and ill-prepared... perhaps a bit ill-informed... we did not have sway bars. Must have sway bars.

We are recent empty-nesters... and we are in the process of selling our Arizona home to make this a full time adventure! We decided on a 5th wheel, excited for towing stability. We recently purchased the Laredo 380MB and are towing with a ‘18 Ram 2500 Diesel short-bed. Got the nifty sliding hitch to boot. Our first venture was a 12 hour trip up to Colorado, and the truck towed beautifully and we barely noticed the wind gusts.

Now, to learn how to park the dang thing....
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:57 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum from Radium Hot Springs BC.
Had a house in San Tan Valley so am familiar with the "B Line" HWY 87.
Very nice 5er but at 16000# GVWR seems a lot for a Ram 2500 with the diesel. Pin weight should be north of 3000#. YMMV
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:26 AM   #3
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Welcome! We're not far from you, south of Casa Grande at Picacho Peak just off I-10.
We fulltimed for 10 years before buying our little place here. It's a great lifestyle & hope you enjoy it as much as we did.
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Old 10-11-2018, 02:56 PM   #4
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Thank you! Happy to be here - and grateful for the concern as well. We did extensive research prior to purchase, and our particular model Ram’s towing capacity is over 17000 lbs with a hitch capacity just over 2500... This particular Laredo has a pin weight of 2,385. Took it up over some steep mountain passes with our first trip and it did great!

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Very nice 5er but at 16000# GVWR seems a lot for a Ram 2500 with the diesel. Pin weight should be north of 3000#. YMMV
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:00 PM   #5
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Welcome to the forum from the Memphis area. I think most of the regulars on here will agree that experience is the best teacher and commend you for performing due diligence in your research before matching this new RV with your new tow vehicle.
I'm going to guess the sales people gave you good information before these purchases?
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:16 PM   #6
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Thank you - They did ask the truck we were using, though they were careful to let us know they are unable to offer specific advice regarding towing capacity. We also researched directly through Dodge, and purchased a 5th wheel ready model.
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:35 PM   #7
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Welcome, been RVing over 20 years, just kind of new to Keystone
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:10 PM   #8
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That 2385 is empty with nothing in it and not loaded ready to camp, Most of the storage in your 5er is forward of the axles which causes the pin weight to climb with every pound you load. Towing planner puts that at 3085 read to camp. That 17,000 towing rating is at a pin weight percentage of 15% and a stripped down truck you 5er could easy be 22 to 24 percent loaded ready to camp. This would be my advice because stubby pencil weights are not that accurate. I would stop by truck stop CAT scale and check out your weight ratings and make sure you're comfortable with the amount of weight you are going to be over your payload rating. You got some bad advice on your first RV and I think you got some bad advice again. Keep your family safe and the only way to know spends 11 dollars to make sure. You could even be over the tire ratings you never know till you weight it.

Niffty Hitch took more than the difference between 2385 and 2500 payload so you are over payload.



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Greetings! We are excited to find this community and look forward to the support and wisdom of experienced RV’ers as well as stories and advice from newbies like us.

While we are new to 5th wheels, we are not new to RV-ing. Nearly ten years ago, we had a toy-hauler trailer and miraculously survived a wreck along an area in AZ known as “The B-Line.” This pass is known to have bad gusts, and our trailer swayed itself around and into a cemi truck in the lane beside it. Thankfully, the driver saw what was happening and accelerated out of the way as the truck/trailer spun into both guardrails. Truck and trailer were totaled, but nothing flipped and no serious injuries. We were ill-researched and ill-prepared... perhaps a bit ill-informed... we did not have sway bars. Must have sway bars.

We are recent empty-nesters... and we are in the process of selling our Arizona home to make this a full time adventure! We decided on a 5th wheel, excited for towing stability. We recently purchased the Laredo 380MB and are towing with a ‘18 Ram 2500 Diesel short-bed. Got the nifty sliding hitch to boot. Our first venture was a 12 hour trip up to Colorado, and the truck towed beautifully and we barely noticed the wind gusts.

Now, to learn how to park the dang thing....
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:26 PM   #9
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Thank you - you are right. We absolutely want to be safe... and thought we had this all figured out - but the information seems to have been convoluted and a bit confounding. We are not going to be dry camping... and don’t plan on filling the water tanks. We also don’t carry anything other than ourselves and the dog in the cab. We’re sort of minimalists by nature... so that storage area only holds the necessities to level and safety roadside equipment. Thank you for your helpfulness - when we take it to be weighed - it is the total weight? The truck and trailer together?
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Just do a quick check pull on to the scales even with the speaker. Push the button and say it personnel weight. They say OK and then go the building and pick up your weight ticket.

You will have three weight
Front Axle
Rear Axle
Trailer Axle

Add the weight of the Front Axle and the Rear Axle you should be less than 10,000 pounds for F250. The amount over 10,000 pounds is the amount you are over your payload.

Look at the Silver Tag in the door jam the should max weights for the Front and Rear Axle. Compare those to your weight ticket Front and Rear axle weights and should be less.

Take Trucks Axle Weights and divided them in half and check your sidewalls on your tires for weight rating and ensure you under those ratings.

You should be under all three weights.

If you want to know your real pin weight you can disconnect and weight the truck without the RV attached and the difference with the RV hook up and Unhooked is the pin weight. That a nice to know the number but above weights are the important ones.



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Thank you - you are right. We absolutely want to be safe... and thought we had this all figured out - but the information seems to have been convoluted and a bit confounding. We are not going to be dry camping... and don’t plan on filling the water tanks. We also don’t carry anything other than ourselves and the dog in the cab. We’re sort of minimalists by nature... so that storage area only holds the necessities to level and safety roadside equipment. Thank you for your helpfulness - when we take it to be weighed - it is the total weight? The truck and trailer together?
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