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09-10-2019, 08:26 AM
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By pass IN-Command system?
Wondering if anyone has bypassed the IN-command system that is installed in the trailers now ? Such as replacing the system with their own AC thermostats, Light switches, slide switches, leveling jack switches etc. I am not having any problems with mine, knock on wood but down the line the thought of a computer controlling my 5th wheel is kind of scary. Anybody have any dealings in bypassing these systems or any input on it? Seems a simple switch or thermostat controlling things would sure make for a better fix than the cost associated with replacing your control computer. Thoughts ?
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09-10-2019, 12:38 PM
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I have bypassed it out of necessity last labor day weekend. Pulled into our lot and we had the dreaded blank white screen. I went to the hardware store and bought some wire and small alligator clips and connected the post we needed for lights, hot water, water pump.
Took just a few minutes and didn't ruin our weekend. I contacted Jensen, and they promptly sent me a new, upgraded screen, at no charge, all is good. My advice, and you can take it for what it's worth, don't take the aspirin before the headache, relax and enjoy camping. If the In-Command never fails, something else will...for damn sure.
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09-19-2019, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by curtthegreat
I have bypassed it out of necessity last labor day weekend. Pulled into our lot and we had the dreaded blank white screen. I went to the hardware store and bought some wire and small alligator clips and connected the post we needed for lights, hot water, water pump.
Took just a few minutes and didn't ruin our weekend. I contacted Jensen, and they promptly sent me a new, upgraded screen, at no charge, all is good. My advice, and you can take it for what it's worth, don't take the aspirin before the headache, relax and enjoy camping. If the In-Command never fails, something else will...for damn sure.
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Can you give me an idea how to go about doing what you did. I am an electronics guy but want to be able to bypass a failed unit in the middle of nowhere. My goal is to parallel all the inCommand stuff with real switches but if that can't be done (I am sure it can) then to replace them before they cause a problem. TIA
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09-20-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sonofcy
Can you give me an idea how to go about doing what you did. I am an electronics guy but want to be able to bypass a failed unit in the middle of nowhere. My goal is to parallel all the inCommand stuff with real switches but if that can't be done (I am sure it can) then to replace them before they cause a problem. TIA
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You need to open up the BCM (mine is inside, our outside storage compartment), on the inside of the cover you will find the wiring legend. If I remember right, there is a hot post at the top right corner of the BCM. With about a foot of wire, and alligator clips attached at both ends of the wire, put one clip on the hot post and attach the other end to the item you want powered.
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09-20-2019, 08:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curtthegreat
You need to open up the BCM (mine is inside, our outside storage compartment), on the inside of the cover you will find the wiring legend. If I remember right, there is a hot post at the top right corner of the BCM. With about a foot of wire, and alligator clips attached at both ends of the wire, put one clip on the hot post and attach the other end to the item you want powered.
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Thanks. That sounds like I could set up an entire parallel control panel using toggle switches and/or momentary switches. I will have a look today to see what I can deduce.
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05-31-2022, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curtthegreat
You need to open up the BCM (mine is inside, our outside storage compartment), on the inside of the cover you will find the wiring legend. If I remember right, there is a hot post at the top right corner of the BCM. With about a foot of wire, and alligator clips attached at both ends of the wire, put one clip on the hot post and attach the other end to the item you want powered.
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For slides, how would you get them to go in, or out, using this approach?
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05-31-2022, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Comandercody
For slides, how would you get them to go in, or out, using this approach?
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The person you are asking this question hasn't been on the forum in about a year. Suggest you put together a signature with year, make and model of your camper and same for your tow vehicle. UserCP top/left of every page and save it. Start a new thread in the tech forum as in-command isn't specific to just fifth wheels and you will likely get an answer.
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09-19-2023, 09:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curtthegreat
I have bypassed it out of necessity last labor day weekend. Pulled into our lot and we had the dreaded blank white screen. I went to the hardware store and bought some wire and small alligator clips and connected the post we needed for lights, hot water, water pump.
Took just a few minutes and didn't ruin our weekend. I contacted Jensen, and they promptly sent me a new, upgraded screen, at no charge, all is good. My advice, and you can take it for what it's worth, don't take the aspirin before the headache, relax and enjoy camping. If the In-Command never fails, something else will...for damn sure.
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Can someone tell me what to attach the jumper wire to...one end of jumper to the in and one end to the out to run say the water pump??? Or one guy attached end to a hot wire and the other to the unit he wanted to run (water pump) but ther are 3 pins or terminals to water pump...in, out and ground if I remember right...please excuse my ignorance, just lost screen and ruined Labor day weekend with no water pump, water heater, and furnace. 2022 Cougar 22MLSWE
Unit is the touch screen that went white.
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09-21-2023, 06:33 AM
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If concern about computer failure is a large concern, a bicycle pulling a trailer is the prime choice. There is very little useful technology that does not contain some sort of processor. The inCommand system seems to be no more or less reliable than the computer systems in my truck. Keeping the system up to date helps as the updates have all had good results. Great that it is so easy to update! We have not had any issues with it since we bought it new but we do keep on top of the updates.
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09-21-2023, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martian
If concern about computer failure is a large concern, a bicycle pulling a trailer is the prime choice. There is very little useful technology that does not contain some sort of processor. The inCommand system seems to be no more or less reliable than the computer systems in my truck. Keeping the system up to date helps as the updates have all had good results. Great that it is so easy to update! We have not had any issues with it since we bought it new but we do keep on top of the updates.
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That's probably a bad analogy. Yes, computers are used in lots of thing that actually require them....an RV does not require InCommand to function properly.
Also, when one has the option of being able to control all the functions of their home rain or shine, or put every critical function into the control of InCommand (which has been problematic to say the least) which can and does fail quite often and quite dramatically, the question would be why expose oneself to that? It does offer some additional conveniences for those that like to live on their phones but it's not for everyone, a step up nor required.
I purchased this trailer to the exclusion of any trailer that had InCommand or any electronic control (other brands) of all critical functions which eliminated some of my preferred options. My conversations with 2 service managers at 2 dealerships said they were "toys" for those that liked them and they spent a lot of warranty time dealing with them....I don't need that. I do believe they have improved the product but the question still remains....why? To each their own but you don't need to have InCommand to have an RV.
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01-28-2024, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sourdough
That's probably a bad analogy. Yes, computers are used in lots of thing that actually require them....an RV does not require InCommand to function properly.
Also, when one has the option of being able to control all the functions of their home rain or shine, or put every critical function into the control of InCommand (which has been problematic to say the least) which can and does fail quite often and quite dramatically, the question would be why expose oneself to that? It does offer some additional conveniences for those that like to live on their phones but it's not for everyone, a step up nor required.
I purchased this trailer to the exclusion of any trailer that had InCommand or any electronic control (other brands) of all critical functions which eliminated some of my preferred options. My conversations with 2 service managers at 2 dealerships said they were "toys" for those that liked them and they spent a lot of warranty time dealing with them....I don't need that. I do believe they have improved the product but the question still remains....why? To each their own but you don't need to have InCommand to have an RV.
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My feelings exactly! Wish I had the knowledge to replace this thing with toggle switches for the slides and on/off switches for others.
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09-10-2019, 01:00 PM
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We are full timers and more than just weekend campers. I know other things fail in a given time. After retiring as a heavy equipment mechanic and welder i have more than figured things fail over time. Preventive maintenance does wonders but also know that electronics can cause a multitude of problems for people. Just curious if others feel the same way that life is complicated with all the electronic do dads that exist and adding more to our daily lives makes us more dependent on electronic controlled things and if others have the fortitude to change it or not.
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09-10-2019, 07:53 PM
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[QUOTE=purebred;358228]We are full timers and more than just weekend campers. I know other things fail in a given time. After retiring as a heavy equipment mechanic and welder i have more than figured things fail over time. Preventive maintenance does wonders but also know that electronics can cause a multitude of problems for people. Just curious if others feel the same way that life is complicated with all the electronic do dads that exist and adding more to our daily lives makes us more dependent on electronic controlled things and if others have the fortitude to change it or not.[/QUOTE
I was on the front end of the "new" electronic/computer age. I programmed in binary and hex. The books required for the "database" were huge, complicated and time consuming. Looked to me then like we were on the cusp of really remarkable things. And we were, but…..
Folks have given up their independence, self knowledge and discovery to give it over to an electronic world that now provides them with knowledge, guidance and yes, moral, spiritual and just "everyday" guidance - based on the motivations of whatever they are reading. Scary and dangerous.
My truck has the Uconnect 8.4 w/Nav. Yesterday they decided they needed to download some "upgrade". Now my system has been working stellar. All of a sudden I lost my blue tooth, Sirius, volume, backup camera and everything else. Could do nothing...nothing to make the popups stop and get anything working. 7 hours later I managed to get it going, by luck I believe. I had no control and was completely at the mercy of "whoever" was doing this to something I owned. In Command? I never want one. Is that the way of the future? Probably....and it makes me sad; I like physical, manual switches.
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09-10-2019, 04:26 PM
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As a former electronics technician I know these things can fail. I prefer simple switches but haven’t done anything to bypass the system yet.
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09-10-2019, 04:51 PM
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I purposely shopped for and bought a new-old-stock 2018 to avoid the IN-command.
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09-10-2019, 07:03 PM
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Remember having this discussion with my parents when the TouchTone phone came out.
Or my boss when email came out: God who needs this? faxes are better
Times are a changin' guys.
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09-10-2019, 07:47 PM
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If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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09-11-2019, 04:56 AM
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Amen to that sourdough. I too am a man of switches and dials. So much easier for this old person to figure out. I guess like others said if it ain't broke don't worry about it.
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09-11-2019, 05:59 AM
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You know it's a Mickey Mouse set up when they can't even change the temps to Celsius from Fahrenheit. RV tech called them when I asked about it and he couldn't believe it either Their answer was not set up to change to metric live with it. But they still sell lot's of them in Canada.
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09-19-2019, 08:51 AM
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Fyi. .
FYI. You can always open the computer board, in my case forward storage area, and use the Manuel switches to work components until they send you the replacement screen.
Another thought here, I work on my rig a lot. When I replaced the 20’ awning with a new one the use of my phone app to work the awning in and out was outstanding. Otherwise you have have a helper to work the switch or get up and down to run the awning in and out. I’ll take this setup anytime. Another use is raising or lowering the king pin when hooking up, you use the phone app while sitting in the drivers seat and you don’t have to get in and out of truck to raise or lower at control panel. Many more but these are two major advantages.
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