Can someone tell me about my scale weight

[Big1]

The top one is with my 5th wheel hook up to my truck and the second one is of course without but I do have the hitch in the back. Thank you for your comments I would like to know where I'm at on the weight.

[busterbrown]

Weight of the truck unloaded subtracted from the total weight of the truck (with the trailer attached) will equal the pin weight. So, the drive and steer axles totaled (11,780) minus the unloaded truck weight (8,280) =3500 lbs of pin weight.

A few things you'll need to provide in order to determine a snap shot profile:

The truck's payload capacity (located on the drivers door jam placard); remember that the weight of the hitch will need to be considered too as it is deducted directly from the truck's payload.
GVWR, also on the that placard
GCVWR, based on powertrain configuration and rear differential size.
The axle ratings will usually be listed on the door jam as well.

After identifying these specs, the rest of the math is relatively simple in determining how well your trailer is loaded, balanced, and paired up to your TV (in a "ready to go camping" state).

[Big1]

Okay the payload of my TV is 3800 lbs, my GVWR of my truck is 11,700 lbs but now when I went to weight my TV I was in the TV and my B&W non-slider hitch were in the bed also. Should I have weight it without the hitch? I had about a half of tank of fuel also and when we came back from camping we took everything out of the TV so that wasn't weight.


So I guess that I'm asking how or what do I have to have or what should I have to do to weight my TV unloaded? Thank you so much for your comment.


Our 5th wheel GVWR is 12,700 lbs and my hitch weight unloaded is 2045 but not the hitch weight is the unloaded so the real hitch weight of 12,700 lbs is going to be 2,540 lbs. I think that I need to dial in my unloaded weight of my TV to get the true payload weight.


My GCVWR is 25,300 lbs.

[Big1]

I'm sure that I will have to go back again and weight my TV without the hitch.

[Wxman]

I don't think that is necessary yet. Your truck GVWR is 11700. When you weighed with trailer you had FR 5140 and RR 6640. That is 11780 carried by the TV which puts it over your reported GVWR irregardless of payload capacity. Usually payload capacity is just GVWR minus empty weight.

Also you had a Gross combined weight of 21460 when weighed with the trailer and a truck weight of 8280 without the trailer, I put that at meaning your trailer weight is 13180, which puts you over your reported 12700 trailer GVWR.

Your truck axles were 11780 hooked up and 8280 unhooked. The difference is 3500 which is the amount of pin weight on the truck, about 26.5%.

At any rate, using your reported GVWR numbers I think you are overloaded both TV and 5'r as you weighed it.

[travelin texans]

Subtract the 2 drive axle weights, 6640-3440=3200 lbs pin weight.
25300 GCVWR-21460 scaled weight=remaining carrying weight provided you don't exceed payload.
Truck payload (from tag?) 3800-3200 scaled weight=600 lbs payload remaining.
If you want true #'s weigh both as it will used, load people, pets, fuel, hitch, water in fresh tank or whatever you'll need to travel.

[busterbrown]

You're about 80 lbs over on the truck's GVWR. If your scale visit wasn't truly representative of your 'ready to go' camping weights, then you maybe over by a larger margin. When weighing, remember to have all passengers, cargo, and fuel loaded. Otherwise the numbers are a guessing game.

The pin weight can only be accurately calculated if the truck (uncoupled from the trailer) was weighed exactly how it was when hitch. This leaves no room for error or speculation.

The easiest and most reliable way to determine how much cargo carrying capacity of the truck that is used (in other words, payload available after people and cargo are added) is to get that accurate unhitched gross truck weight (add the axles) then subtract that amount from the GVWR of 11,700. This will provide you with payload remaining.

Curb weights or dry weights have real no bearing in the equation as they are only achieved at the factory. This can be applied to both the TV and trailer. Just adding a 5th wheel hitch makes the truck's "curb" weight irrelevant. Likewise, just adding propane and batteries to the coach during the new prep servicing process will alter those 'dry' numbers significantly.

You're also nearly 4,000 lbs under the gross combined weight which is usually not a problem with trailers your size. It's the payload on those single rear axle 1 ton trucks that's the limiting factor. That is why is the seasoned RVers suggest deciding on the trailer before deciding on a truck. Because many folks don't realize how easily the capacities can be exceeded once hitched. A dually configuaration adds so much more payload capacity that it is the preferred choice over a single axle. Just as a comparision, my 2500 RAm has nearly 3000 lbs of payload from the factory. 800 lbs isn't much more for a 3500 series truck.

Also, do you have the axle ratings of your RAM?

[Big1]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Subtract the 2 drive axle weights, 6640-3440=3200 lbs pin weight.
25300 GCVWR-21460 scaled weight=remaining carrying weight provided you don't exceed payload.
Truck payload (from tag?) 3800-3200 scaled weight=600 lbs payload remaining.
If you want true #'s weigh both as it will used, load people, pets, fuel, hitch, water in fresh tank or whatever you'll need to travel.

Okay, the first weight was after my wife and I went camping for two weeks, there were happen to be a weight scale about less than a mile from where we were camping so the top weight was everything.

[Big1]

Originally Posted by busterbrown

You're about 80 lbs over on the truck's GVWR. If your scale visit wasn't truly representative of your 'ready to go' camping weights, then you maybe over by a larger margin. When weighing, remember to have all passengers, cargo, and fuel loaded. Otherwise the numbers are a guessing game.

The pin weight can only be accurately calculated if the truck (uncoupled from the trailer) was weighed exactly how it was when hitch. This leaves no room for error or speculation.

The easiest and most reliable way to determine how much cargo carrying capacity of the truck that is used (in other words, payload available after people and cargo are added) is to get that accurate unhitched gross truck weight (add the axles) then subtract that amount from the GVWR of 11,700. This will provide you with payload remaining.

Curb weights or dry weights have real no bearing in the equation as they are only achieved at the factory. This can be applied to both the TV and trailer. Just adding a 5th wheel hitch makes the truck's "curb" weight irrelevant. Likewise, just adding propane and batteries to the coach during the new prep servicing process will alter those 'dry' numbers significantly.

You're also nearly 4,000 lbs under the gross combined weight which is usually not a problem with trailers your size. It's the payload on those single rear axle 1 ton trucks that's the limiting factor. That is why is the seasoned RVers suggest deciding on the trailer before deciding on a truck. Because many folks don't realize how easily the capacities can be exceeded once hitched. A dually configuaration adds so much more payload capacity that it is the preferred choice over a single axle. Just as a comparision, my 2500 RAm has nearly 3000 lbs of payload from the factory. 800 lbs isn't much more for a 3500 series truck.

Also, do you have the axle ratings of your RAM?

GAWR- Front- 6000 lbs
GAWR- REAR- 7000 lbs


So for what you guys are saying and looking at the numbers I'm I good? Thank you guys so much for all of your comments and to think that I was towing my 5th wheel with a 2017 2500 ctd.


Okay you are say that I need to go back with just my TV load up all of the stuff and people and full tank of fuel and weight it then? Okay I see your first paragraph.

[busterbrown]

Originally Posted by Big1

GAWR- Front- 6000 lbs
GAWR- REAR- 7000 lbs


So for what you guys are saying and looking at the numbers I'm I good? Thank you guys so much for all of your comments and to think that I was towing my 5th wheel with a 2017 2500 ctd.


Okay you are say that I need to go back with just my TV load up all of the stuff and people and full tank of fuel and weight it then? Okay I see your first paragraph.

I don't think anyone is saying you're "good". From the scale weights, you're over on both the truck and trailer's GVWR. Most likely, you're truck's payload capacity is tapped out (or over) when loaded up.

These are specifications set by the respective manufacturers (and their engineering teams) in order to ensure a safe towing experience. When a person exceeds these limits, they have gone rogue and are assuming the risk of doing so. In the event of an unfortunate circumstance, the weights will be interrogated to determine fault. From my understandung, it's not in anyone's best interest to be on the receiving end of such a judgment or determination.

[5J's]

I don't believe anyone said you're "good" but quite the contrary.

[Roscommon48]

sometimes we get too caught up in the 'numbers'.



keep it simple... you are fine. enjoy your travels.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by Big1

Okay the payload of my TV is 3800 lbs, my GVWR of my truck is 11,700 lbs but now when I went to weight my TV I was in the TV and my B&W non-slider hitch were in the bed also. Should I have weight it without the hitch?

I had about a half of tank of fuel also and when we came back from camping we took everything out of the TV so that wasn't weight.

So I guess that I'm asking how or what do I have to have or what should I have to do to weight my TV unloaded? Thank you so much for your comment.


Our 5th wheel GVWR is 12,700 lbs and my hitch weight unloaded is 2045 but not the hitch weight is the unloaded so the real hitch weight of 12,700 lbs is going to be 2,540 lbs. I think that I need to dial in my unloaded weight of my TV to get the true payload weight.


My GCVWR is 25,300 lbs.

The red highlight above negates the validity of the weight. Revisit the scale while on your way to camping. Full fuel, everything on board including food, drink, water, clothing, people and animals. Anything less is guessing.

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by Roscommon48

sometimes we get too caught up in the 'numbers'.



keep it simple... you are fine. enjoy your travels.

Unfortunately with the help of RV salesman that don't have a clue too many don't "get caught up in the numbers" enough only to find out they don't have enough tv for RV they have already purchased when the salesman said "you're fine, go enjoy!".
The OP should get an attaboy for attempting to do it safely!

[Laredo Tugger]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Unfortunately with the help of RV salesman that don't have a clue too many don't "get caught up in the numbers" enough only to find out they don't have enough tv for RV they have already purchased when the salesman said "you're fine, go enjoy!".
The OP should get an attaboy for attempting to do it safely!

Exactly what I got from the dealer when I purchased my 5er with a gas F-250. First trip to a campground I drove by mostly diesels that were pulling fifth wheels. Didn't take me long to figure out that my TV was inadequate. It ( the F-250) pulled the trailer but it didn't like it.

I have the same TV as the OP. Below are my numbers. I THINK I have the math correct. If not let me know.

TRUCK (full oF fuel and all equipment/cargo & passengers,some groceries ect...)
2018 RAM 3500 4x4 CC SB SRW 3.42
Aisin Trans HO 6.7L CTD/ 5K Air Lift bags
16K Curt Slider Hitch / Door Sticker payload:3822

GVWR: 11700 Max
GAWR: Front 6000 Max Rear 7000 Max
GVWR: 25300 Max
Max Trailer: 17050 Max

TRAILER
2017 Keystone Laredo 350 FB (All tanks dry,full propane tanks,tools, equipment,clothes,some groceries ect...)
Dry Weight: 11230
Cargo Capacity: 1770 Max
GVWR: 13000 Max
Hitch: 2085

SCALE WEIGHTS
TV: (No trailer) Front 5100
Rear 3960= 9060

TV and 5er: Front: 5200
Rear: 6220= 11420
Subtract TV (No trailer) : 9060=2360-Pin Weight

Trailer Axel: 10020
Add Pin: 2360=12380 5er GCWR

GCWR 12380 – 11230 (Dry Trailer) = 1150 Cargo

GCWR: (Connected) Truck 11420 + 10020= 21440

[Laredo Tugger]

OK I'm good.
Doesn't matter. Not getting a new TV to satisfy some cop from the weight police. Deal is done.
Thanks
RMc

[Big1]

Yep, I agree I don't want a 1 ton dually so it is what it is.

[busterbrown]

Originally Posted by Big1

Yep, I agree I don't want a 1 ton dually so it is what it is.

I'm a little dumbfounded.?.? Requesting feedback on scale weights with a preconceived attitude to "do nothing" anyways?

[wiredgeorge]

The horse is dead? To keep on beating it seems like more effort than worth it. Here is what happens if you are overloaded and get into some sort of accident... Fran drives up in her Progressive-mobile with two big uglies getting out of the back seat. They have CIA vests on and she points her NAME YOUR PRICE TOOL at your wreck. The name your price tool doubles as a secret overloaded spy tool. Fran reads the results and if you exceeded some magical weight number, the two gorillas she brought with you haul off your wife and kids and pets and you are faced with life in an endless cycle of being overloaded threads!

[notanlines]

My mind's made up! Don't confuse me with the facts! I'm guessing OP came up with the original post so he could get stroked and petted. No one gets stroked and petted when they have fleas..... (Yes, that was terrible)