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Old 06-23-2018, 11:21 AM   #1
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Suspension

I was going to ask about if there was a need to do an upgrade on the suspension; sooner rather than later.

I've been reading and see there is a split between the Lippert Never Fail and the Wet Bolt.


It seems the never fail works and has a lifetime warranty in case there is a problem. But their shackles are not that good. So would it be a good option to go with the never fail and get a heavy duty shackle?


Is there any other part that should be looked at for the suspension?


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Old 06-29-2018, 05:43 AM   #2
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:12 AM   #3
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http://www.morryde.com/products/88-s...pension-system
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:12 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info.
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:30 PM   #5
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ddubya gave you a link for the MorRyde 4000 which is an excellent system but the 3000 might work for you as well with the 24sab. Don't know what the price difference is and I think the HD wet bolt kits either come with them or are an option.....
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Old 06-29-2018, 07:34 PM   #6
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ddubya gave you a link for the MorRyde 4000 which is an excellent system but the 3000 might work for you as well with the 24sab. Don't know what the price difference is and I think the HD wet bolt kits either come with them or are an option.....
I was just coming on to ask about that. How do you determine which is best for your application between the 3000 and 4000? Is it a weight issues or something else. MORryde only says it's a travel distance difference; 3 in or 4 in.

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I just saw that the CRE3000 is for the heavier trailers; says up to 8000 lbs. The SRE4000 says for 5000 to 7500 lb trailer.

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Old 06-29-2018, 09:59 PM   #7
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Salty25,

I think you read into those weights incorrectly. The SRE4000 is recommended for AXLES (not trailers) rated 5200-7000 pounds, That, on a tandem axle trailer would mean 10400-14000 on the axles and 20% pin weight (2000-2800). Essentially the system is rated for trailers with a GVW of 12400-16800, or roughly those weights.

The CRE3000 is rated for use with axles "up to 8000 pounds" which means it is "OK" to use on 3500 and 4400 pound axles.

The SRE4000 system isn't rated for the smaller axles.

Both systems recommend installing a wet bolt kit as well as the suspension equalizer system.
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:06 PM   #8
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John,
I have the CRE 3000 on my trailer, can you educate me on the wet bolt kit, equalizer system, what do they do and installation dificulty.
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:57 AM   #9
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There's not much to "educate" about a wet bolt kit. When Keystone ships trailers, there's a nylon/plastic cylinder inside the spring eyes. The bolt goes through the cylinder to "hang" the spring on the hanger bracket. As the axle moves, the bolt "grinds" against the cylinder and the plastic, being the weakest part, wears rapidly. Once it's gone, there's "unlubricated, metal on metal wear" between the bolt, the spring eye, the hanger and the shackles (which are very thin stamped metal).

Wet bolt kits replace the nylon/plastic cylinder with a bronze bushing and a "hollow" bolt with a zerk fitting on the end. After assembly, grease is inserted into the zerk fitting and flows over (and eventually saturates) the porous bronze bushing. This provides "lubricated" (as opposed to dry) metal/metal contact and provides for less wear. Additionally, thicker shackles are installed which are much more durable. The shackles (which are nearly twice as thick) are much less prone to elongated holes caused by wear. This keeps the trailer suspension "in line" without extra lateral movement which affects tire wear, adds stress to the wheel bearings/spindles and can cause abnormal brake component wear.

As for ease of installation, that's a matter of opinion. Some will say, "Piece of cake" others will say, "I don't think I'm capable".... Essentially, if you have the proper jacks, jack stands, tools (basic heavy duty hand tools), a "jug of "Fast Orange Hand Cleaner", basic mechanical skills and the time, it's not a difficult job for the average trailer owner.

That said, if you've never repacked wheel bearings, don't know how to change out your brake/hub assemblies, can't identify the equalizer by pointing to it and don't know the difference in a #2 square drive and a #2 Phillips, then it's probably a good idea to let someone who is more mechanically experienced help with (or do) the job. If you're in that category, if you've got time and the mechanic is willing, help him with the changeout, you'll learn much, get a good idea of what and how to do the tasks, many of which are essentially annual jobs. Experience and knowledge are things that will help you for years to come, so don't be afraid to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty: the reason for the jug of Fast Orange Hand Cleaner.......
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Old 06-30-2018, 09:42 AM   #10
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JRTJH,

Thanks for the clarification. I guess doing the math either would work for my trailer; under 8000 lbs on tandem axles.


It seems the wet bolts come with either of the MORryde systems or the Dexter one. my old school brain says go with the wet bolt because there should be some lubricant in there. Especially with the never fails having such thin shackles.

I may actually go with the E-Z Flex system. It seem heavier built than the MORryde.

I will be installing it myself. I have the jacks, stands and tools needed already; with the shade tree knowledge.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:32 PM   #11
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JRTJH,

Thanks for the clarification. I guess doing the math either would work for my trailer; under 8000 lbs on tandem axles.


It seems the wet bolts come with either of the MORryde systems or the Dexter one.
I'd urge you to contact Morryde and confirm your thoughts. The SRE4000 is for 5200 and 7000 pound axles. Your trailer probably has 4400 pound axles under it.

The wet bolt kits are "available for" but "not a part of" either Morryde system. They are extra cost options, so you'll need to order them as a separate line item when you place your order.
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:44 PM   #12
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Just got back from picking up the TT.

They kept trying to get me to sign off on it. I had the inspection list and did most of it. Think he was about as tired as I was when I finally signed the papers.

We talked about the suspension. I saw that they sold the MORryde so asked about the cost of upgrading. The service tech said I didn't need to get the system. He said my suspension was as good. He pointed out the upgraded equalizer.

I saw that the MORryde had the wet bolts at an extra charge. It was listed with and without actually. He suggested waiting on the wet bolts for a few months instead of doing them now.

My RAM actually pulled the TT pretty good. I could feel it bounce a few times over big bumps but not as bad as I thought it would be.
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Old 07-06-2018, 04:54 AM   #13
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I need some input on the
my 311 impact for the suspension. The wet bolt is going on but there are 2 products for the springs . The EZflex looks to be the less complicated and smaller then the SRE4000 mor ryde .For longevity is one better then the other When the rubber mounts fail what happens to the axle alignment?
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:25 AM   #14
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After watching videos on the 3 trailer most popular trailer suspension prodects . I like the Ex flex being smaller and less parts . Lifetime bushing for lippert equa flex excluding labor .
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:59 PM   #15
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Dexter E-Z Flex

I installed the Dexter K71-652-00 E-Z Flex on my 2011 Copper Canyon FW273RET (GVWR 10,400 with 2 4400# axles) just after our first trip in it. I was very pleased with the improvement in the ride in the truck and the trailer seemed to be more stable on rough roads.
I did the install myself because I had the jacks, stands and tools to do the install. I did hook up the fiver to the truck to give it more stability while I was doing the install.
After 2-3 years (35-40K miles) the rubber cushions began to look worn, I called Dexter they sent me new kits and $50 for labor since I did the replacement myself.
The wet bolts came with the kits, I believe and as a previous post said, the shackles are almost twice as thick.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:10 PM   #16
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Make that 10,240# GVWR. Pin weight is 1500 + 2 Alko 4400 axles = 10,300#. So I had a whopping 60# margin. I later upgraded the axles to Dexter 5200# which had bigger brake drums also.
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