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Old 02-08-2015, 11:02 PM   #41
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Due to this forum and my concern for the safety of myself as well as others we are going to update to a DRW. Headed for Kellogg Idaho tomorrow.

Would you, by any chance, be headed to Dave Smith Motors?
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Well, things happened quickly on Saturday and I ended up with a 2010 Ford F-350! Still on the fence about which 5th wheel we'll end up with. I'm definitely in favor of stepping down in weight. The Heartland Torque 325 has a very similar floorplan as the Fuzion 371, but is significantly lighter. I'm very surprised how much heavier the Fuzions are than a lot of the other rigs out there.

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Old 02-09-2015, 04:06 PM   #43
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You beat me to it!
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No offense to you ford guys but I pull my 371 with my 2015 Chevy Silverado 2500 with no issues what so ever. Have been up and down mountains and everywhere. My axle weight however is at 3700 lbs and the towing capacity with the gear ratio is close to 20k. Not sure about stability because again I havent had an issue. Sure the dually might work better but for all around purpose issues the 2500 works well.
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Axle weight or King pin ?

Stability isn't the issue, being over the limits based on the door sticker is. I see lots of 3/4 ton SRW trucks hitched up to monster trailers. Is it legal and safe??
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Axle weight or King pin ?

Stability isn't the issue, being over the limits based on the door sticker is. I see lots of 3/4 ton SRW trucks hitched up to monster trailers. Is it legal and safe??
My total capacity on bed weight is 3700 and I am at 3000 leaving 700lb difference. The total shipping weight was 13k and some change....total weight golf cart etc im guessing 15k and some change. With a 3.73 gear I can tow 17k and some change. I have driven tractor trailers in my past short distance and this is nothing compared to that. Again I am not having any issues on flat ground nor climbing mountains here in Virginia. No doubt around town in very different but once up to speed on interstate you dont even notice it back there till you check your mirrors.
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My total capacity on bed weight is 3700 and I am at 3000 leaving 700lb difference. The total shipping weight was 13k and some change....total weight golf cart etc im guessing 15k and some change. With a 3.73 gear I can tow 17k and some change. I have driven tractor trailers in my past short distance and this is nothing compared to that. Again I am not having any issues on flat ground nor climbing mountains here in Virginia. No doubt around town in very different but once up to speed on interstate you dont even notice it back there till you check your mirrors.

As has been said before, the F250's and equivalent trucks will tow them just fine, just not legally. People can justify it all they want, it's either legal or not legal and it's that simple. I'd bet if you weighed your 371 the rear axle would be over by a lot but I may be wrong. I know I was very surprised when I had my F250 weighed. Two kids, wife, 5th wheel hitch, small tool box, it adds up real quick. Hundreds, if not thousands, are towing big 5th wheels daily and doing it safely (no accidents). I don't think it's an issue at all with law enforcement and probably will not be an issue unless there's an accident and a lawyer involved. I'm not judging at all, just stating a fact.

I know the one time I had mine weighed I couldn't believe it, I was shocked. I was well under my tow capacity but not my rear axle weight and for me that's the one I'm probably most concerned about as that's where the big trouble is going to start. Dually's can definitely be a pain in the butt as I just traded for one and sure aren't for everyone. I actually don't even see the purpose of buying an F250 over an F350 for most people. Basically the same price and you get more tow capacity with the F350/3500. As soon as I bought my F250 I was wondering why I didn't get an F350 but at the time I was clueless.
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Pull a Fuzion 371 with an F250?

If your rear axle rating is 3700 pounds, weigh your truck without the trailer and get an actual weight with the fuel tank full and hitch installed. Then add the 3000 King pin, I'm thinking your over the 3700 pounds.
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:49 PM   #49
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Would you, by any chance, be headed to Dave Smith Motors?
What???

I just went over for the gondola ride by the Guest House Inn. But there wasn't any snow so I ended up picking up a truck while I was there. Guess I shouldn't have used the word Safe when talking about the 2500. Should have used the words, comfortable and pucker factor,


I can't remember if it was stated here or not but the dry pin weight on the 371 is a fuzz over 3100. Total dry weight 13580.
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Well, things happened quickly on Saturday and I ended up with a 2010 Ford F-350! Still on the fence about which 5th wheel we'll end up with. I'm definitely in favor of stepping down in weight. The Heartland Torque 325 has a very similar floorplan as the Fuzion 371, but is significantly lighter. I'm very surprised how much heavier the Fuzions are than a lot of the other rigs out there.

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Nice looking F-350...kind of dwarfs the Honda!
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If your rear axle rating is 3700 pounds, weigh your truck without the trailer and get an actual weight with the fuel tank full and hitch installed. Then add the 3000 King pin, I'm thinking your over the 3700 pounds.
2015 Chevy 2500 HD Diesel with 3.73 gears.
Shipping weight on my 371 was 13540 and the hitch is 3110. That leaves me with 3560lbs of play. Dont see a ton and and half of gear with a family of three. Golf cart only weighs 960 lbs....dont see another ton plus of gear.

Rear axle gross is 6200 lbs
Front is 5200 lbs
Max 5th Wheel Trailering, 3.73 Rear Axle 17100 lbs
Max GVWR is 10000lbs

Not over weight and not illegal as mentioned above in another post. Also reference to axle weights length between axles also come into play when it involves scales etc.
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My 2011 F250 had a rear GAWR of 6100 pounds, 100 less than you, and I was several hundred pounds (as in 500-600 if I remember correctly) overloaded on my rear axle when I had it weighed. I did not have much weight in the garage so that would have helped some but my hitch weight (around 2600) is much less that yours. If your GVWR is only 10,000 pounds, same as my F250, I'd bet money you're over that also. I'm not trying to argue at all but I'd bet money you are overloaded if you get it weighed. I know I was overloaded at times on axle weight and GVWR I'm sure. I'm not familiar with the Chevy 2500 but assume it's close to the F250 which I am familiar with and the F250 runs out of weight real quick, much quicker than most people realize. I learned the hard way and didn't know any better but the good thing is I was able to use that as an excuse for my new truck.

Now, we do keep our toy hauler furnished with dishes, pots and pans, etc. but that isn't a lot of weight. If one already has the truck I understand but buying new I see no reason to get an F250/2500 series truck if planning to pull a 5th wheel toy hauler of any type. Same price as the F350/3500 and more tow capacity.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:08 AM   #53
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As has been said before, the F250's and equivalent trucks will tow them just fine, just not legally. People can justify it all they want, it's either legal or not legal and it's that simple. I'd bet if you weighed your 371 the rear axle would be over by a lot but I may be wrong. I know I was very surprised when I had my F250 weighed. Two kids, wife, 5th wheel hitch, small tool box, it adds up real quick. Hundreds, if not thousands, are towing big 5th wheels daily and doing it safely (no accidents). I don't think it's an issue at all with law enforcement and probably will not be an issue unless there's an accident and a lawyer involved. I'm not judging at all, just stating a fact.

I know the one time I had mine weighed I couldn't believe it, I was shocked. I was well under my tow capacity but not my rear axle weight and for me that's the one I'm probably most concerned about as that's where the big trouble is going to start. Dually's can definitely be a pain in the butt as I just traded for one and sure aren't for everyone. I actually don't even see the purpose of buying an F250 over an F350 for most people. Basically the same price and you get more tow capacity with the F350/3500. As soon as I bought my F250 I was wondering why I didn't get an F350 but at the time I was clueless.
I wonder what the registration issues are with the new F450 here in Cali?? I went through the same issues a few years ago when we stepped up to a large triple axel 5th wheel toy hauler. I had a 2002 F350 CC LB but the dealer wouldn't let me pull it off the lot... I was like "What!!!" Long story short I got it home and towed it on our first (and last trip) to the river. This trip was pretty empty as all our winter desert toys (4 dirt bikes and XP4 RZR) were not loaded. The Ol 2002 7.3 pulled it fine but I could sure tell I was over the limit of the truck when it got windy and I had to stop... I could bite off a new payment on a new dually at the time so I found a super clean 2006 F550 completely set up (Full bullet proofed 6.0) for towing with only 28K miles on it. I snatched it up and it has been great!!! I do toss the idea of selling or trading it for a new F450 for all the new nice amenities these new trucks offer. I had a heck of a time registering and insuring this F550 and I wonder if the new F450 would be the same? Either way it was well worth it knowing that the truck is set up and well capable of what I am towing….

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That is a nice looking rig and nice truck! The 6.0 is a great motor if re-studded or whatever they do to it from everything I've heard.

So far I have had zero issues with the F450 as far as insurance or registration. Matter of fact, dealer just called and said my plates and registration just arrived. I have USAA for insurance and just went online and changed it from my F250 to the F450. It wasn't much difference in price, slightly higher. I pulled the toy hauler yesterday and the biggest thing I noticed was the brakes are much, much better than my F250. I drove to Galveston and had to deal with a lot of Houston traffic and road construction. It sucked big time and trying now to figure out which way to come back home Sunday. I'm thinking a lot of tolls but avoid the construction and heavy traffic hopefully. I took a toll road yesterday part of the way then hit tons of traffic in the middle of the day. Impressed with the truck though.
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That is a nice looking rig and nice truck! The 6.0 is a great motor if re-studded or whatever they do to it from everything I've heard.

So far I have had zero issues with the F450 as far as insurance or registration. Matter of fact, dealer just called and said my plates and registration just arrived. I have USAA for insurance and just went online and changed it from my F250 to the F450. It wasn't much difference in price, slightly higher. I pulled the toy hauler yesterday and the biggest thing I noticed was the brakes are much, much better than my F250. I drove to Galveston and had to deal with a lot of Houston traffic and road construction. It sucked big time and trying now to figure out which way to come back home Sunday. I'm thinking a lot of tolls but avoid the construction and heavy traffic hopefully. I took a toll road yesterday part of the way then hit tons of traffic in the middle of the day. Impressed with the truck though.
Yes My F550 6.0 is studded and has all the other ($9K ) stuff for bullet proofing. It does pull solid and is a very stable truck to say the least. I went with the Link Ultra Ride rear suspension which makes the ride great! I would love the power of the 6.7 though as I am not the fastest up the grades around here and with the 4.88 rear it makes freeway trips in the slow lane even when not pullin I think the biggest issue for my truck was the fact that it came from the factory as a Chassis Cab 2 ton commercial truck. Having a custom bed put on and having DMV re classified it was a lot of leg work so I could add the truck to my current AAA insurance. Its all good now
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That is a nice looking rig and nice truck! The 6.0 is a great motor if re-studded or whatever they do to it from everything I've heard.

So far I have had zero issues with the F450 as far as insurance or registration. Matter of fact, dealer just called and said my plates and registration just arrived. I have USAA for insurance and just went online and changed it from my F250 to the F450. It wasn't much difference in price, slightly higher. I pulled the toy hauler yesterday and the biggest thing I noticed was the brakes are much, much better than my F250. I drove to Galveston and had to deal with a lot of Houston traffic and road construction. It sucked big time and trying now to figure out which way to come back home Sunday. I'm thinking a lot of tolls but avoid the construction and heavy traffic hopefully. I took a toll road yesterday part of the way then hit tons of traffic in the middle of the day. Impressed with the truck though.
My nephew is camping in Galveston right now...He's always down there! We're getting ready to head to the Gulf right now at the state park.
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We're staying at a brand new RV park, Galveston Island RV Resort. It's a few miles past Jamaica Beach RV Park which looks packed! This place we're staying at just opened a couple of weeks ago and isn't finished but the concrete pads are very big, I think 60 feet long with full hookups. We are happy with it and will probably come back. The only drawback is it's a ways out from the main area of Galveston but for some maybe that's a plus. Anyways, I'm right where you pull in, Fuzion 322TE and right next to a huge Voltage toy hauler if you're nearby.
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This thread has definitely migrated off-topic ... OP's question was: "Pull a Fuzion 371 with an F250?"

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Just came back from the RV show and I was in several Fuzions. I liked the 331, but the dry weight per yellow sticker was 13600...slap another 1000lbs for camping gear and another 1500lbs for atv's and up to 16100 before any water, etc. No to mention Fuzion's claimed pin weights seem to be a little heavier than other brands...I have a 2014 Ram 3500 SRW with payload of 4074lbs....I believe I would be over my payload with this rig...let alone a 371....let alone a 3/4 ton. Good luck to you
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2015 Chevy 2500 HD Diesel with 3.73 gears.
Shipping weight on my 371 was 13540 and the hitch is 3110. That leaves me with 3560lbs of play. Dont see a ton and and half of gear with a family of three. Golf cart only weighs 960 lbs....dont see another ton plus of gear.

Rear axle gross is 6200 lbs
Front is 5200 lbs
Max 5th Wheel Trailering, 3.73 Rear Axle 17100 lbs
Max GVWR is 10000lbs

Not over weight and not illegal as mentioned above in another post. Also reference to axle weights length between axles also come into play when it involves scales etc.









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Not trying to beat a dead horse to death but here are some facts from what I can find for your situation:


*Max. 5th wheel trlr weight that can be pulled= 17,100lbs
*Actual trlr (estimated) - 13, 540 (dry)+960 (golf cart)+ contents (1000
minimum estimated)= 15500 (close but not over max trlr wgt) OR
*Actual trlr (dry) - 13,540 + payload@ 3560? = 17100 *This maxes your maximum towing rating. (You will be closer to the max than what you think)


GCWR = 24,500
*Truck = 7384lbs. + Payload = 2793 *Total truck = 10177
*Trlr - Estimated 15500 (low number) Truck+trlr = 25677 (over GCWR) OR
*Trlr + listed payload (not estimated ) = 13540 + 3560? = 17100 trlr wgt.

In this scenario Total truck = 10,177 + total trlr @ 17100 = 27277 vs max. GCWR of 24500 = overweight by 2777lbs.

As indicated above your GCWR is going to be over no matter what you do unless you don't put much of anything in the RV.

Now payload:

*Max payload of truck = 2793 (2015 Chevy 2500 diesel 4x4 - chevy tow guide)
*Hitch weight = 3110
*Max payload of listed truck 2793 with hitch weight of 3110 = 317 overweight before you add anything (5th wheel hitch, people, etc. etc.)

You will be over your payload by a substantial margin by the time you load the trailer, people in the truck, tools, etc.

Your quote:
"Not over weight and not illegal as mentioned above in another post" appears to possibly be a mistake and you may need to look more closely at some of the parameters that are measured.

**Chevy info posted is from Chevy towing site and for regular cab 4x4. Truck configuration was not listed. Payload increases for a double cab, standard bed by approx. 300lbs but truck is still limited to 10000 GVW and towing specs/GCVW do not change.
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