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Old 05-18-2018, 02:49 PM   #41
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"Our boys"? Kids or dogs??


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Went into the little neighborhood IGA store this morning & this sign was posted at the door & at the register. Good for them!!
Edit; Sorry can't read the sign, but it states no pets allowed unless certified, registered service animals.

The pic is a little fuzzy but from what I can tell what they are asking for is illegal and a service dog owner does not have to provide it;

Directly from the ADA;

"When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

I agree that the folks claiming to have "service" dogs is a problem. Lots of folks have what are "comfort" animals and then call them service dogs - they aren't and don't have the rights of a service dog. And, only dogs are qualified as service "animals". Again, from the ADA;

"Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA.
■ A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.
■ Generally, title II and title III entities must permit service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas where members of the public are allowed to go."

I think a large part of the problem with the proliferation of "service" dogs is the fact that the law is written pretty broadly, and vaguely, to protect those that find a service dog necessary. With that problem, business owners don't really know what to do so just let it pass instead of risk running afoul of the law. I've been told this multiple times. If they would just ask the two allowed questions if they had doubts it would probably reduce the proliferation of the fake service dogs.

Another issue that I think is probably an issue is the fact that today's society has changed drastically. Folks aren't polite and trying to follow the rules like they used to. I suspect that a business owner is a little wary of asking a person about their dog even if it's a comfort dog because that person will more than likely start yelling and screaming, calling names and causing a ruckus....so they just let it go. Again, asking the 2 questions, which are legal and the dog owner must answer, would go a long way in reducing the problem...IMO.

As far as dogs going everywhere their humans go.....I say no. Dogs have no place in a restaurant or grocery store. If an individual's mobility depends on the dog due to a disability that is a different story. There are many classifications of service dogs but most are not necessary for those kinds of things. My son has a service dog for PTSD - which is a new class as far as I know and he takes his into restaurants. It causes no problems, lays down (usually in a corner) and leaves when he does. I still do not like it and have told him that.

Barking dogs, again I say no. The dog should be trained to know that it isn't acceptable. It's unfortunate, but far too many folks bring their dogs to a campground and let the dog carry on for hours. Unacceptable. I mentioned it to a person this past winter and they said...."we don't even hear it....it's his personality".....really?

Like one poster said, there aren't usually bad dogs; just bad owners that don't take the time, or spend the money, to have their dogs properly trained. JMO - YMMV
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Old 05-18-2018, 03:30 PM   #42
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Come on Jim. As Jay Leno would say. "that is just not right". But in your little man's defence he is cute!
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:44 PM   #43
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We are the owners of 4 fur babies. I agree that animals should not be permitted in grocery stores, restaurants, or bars other than service animals. Having said that, when it comes to camping in campgrounds at least 70% of campers have at least 1 pet with them, even in million dollar plus motorhomes. Our fur babies are for our enjoyment and we do not allow them to cause disturbances and we clean up after them always. But for those who cannot tolerate dogs in campgrounds they should find campgrounds that are not animal friendly or sell their toys and find another interest. We are not going to stop taking our fur babies camping with us and the reason is not that we crave grumpy people's attention, it is because we enjoy our babies. And if we choose to call ourselves Mommy & Daddy to our fur babies, I don't recall asking for permission. Have a great day.
I have no issue with dogs/pets at campgrounds/rv parks provided they are ALWAYS on a leash when outside not just when you leave your site, which is stated in 99.9% of park rules, the owners pick up after them regardless if it's on park property or not, which is stated in 99.9% of park rules, & they DO NOT bark at everyone/everything that goes by your campsite while you sit idly by & not tell it to shut up or put it away. Or put it inside when you leave for a few hours & it's nonstop barking the entire time. My problem is that 50%+ of the owners we've parked near seem to be exempt from ALL of those rules. I agree it's the owners fault not the dogs, but still very annoying.
If you want to be mommy & daddy to a dog then by all means be doggy daddy, personally that sounds silly & little questionable.
Just don't let any of your precious babies accompany mommy & daddy to the grocery store, restaurant, hardware store, casinos or any place that has food for mommy & daddy & has NOTHING for the dog.
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Sooooo, if they are allowed, then they are allowed. Again, I appreciate that my dogs, are dogs, I don’t expect anyone to cower to my wishes. I believe throughly in the golden rule of do unto others as you want done to you.

My pups are allowed, even encouraged in Home Depot and Lowe’s in fact many of the cashiers have cookies for the dogs in their aprons.

In my town 80% dog ownership. It was dog town USA a few years ago.
They are very tolerated in the town, water dishes everywhere.

But they are allowed to sit with owners on patios and sidewalks while they eat.

The whole idea of getting angry at someone for what they choose to call themselves is also silly. If they want to call themselves mom and pops to pups, so be it.

The culture of dogs has changed, and with change comes anger that the “good old days” are gone. One gen was scared of Elvis, the next scared of hippies, the next afraid of whatever you want to call us Gen X twerps. And now I’m stymied at the weird tidepod munching, condom snorting gen we are watching now. It goes with the territory. Fight it, or find common ground and realize we all want the same thing, happiness, just different ways to find it.
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In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station.
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In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station.
Now that's a solution I can get on board with!
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In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station.
This is a smart park, and a smart business owner who understand how to make money and keep all his customers happy.
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This is a smart park, and a smart business owner who understand how to make money and keep all his customers happy.

The park is share owned, and managed by the residents, A debt free facility.
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I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.
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The park is share owned, and managed by the residents, A debt free facility.
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Then they are a level headed bunch and should be commended for taking such an approach that took everyone into consideration hats off to them!
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I could write a book.
I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.

Sorry, how crazy. But your absolutely right. Owners do need to be responsible. If you can’t spend time with your pup and their care, then really consider what’s in the best interest For the dog. It might be a new home. I have been chased by pit bulls and bitten By far to many dogs at work. Again it’s these situations and lack of respect for others that lead to bad names for the dogs.
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I could write a book.
I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.
Awww Brent, "dog killer"?? I think your still stressed from all the doctor work

With all that dog "stuff" going on around you isn't there some legal recourse against these folks vs killing the animals? If one attacks you I would be having charges filed against the owner. Your description tells me of some folks that shouldn't even have dogs - and therein lies the problem for good dog owners and those that don't want to deal with dogs in general - the lazy "dog owners" that could care less about the animal or those they impact; they should be fined every day that their animals act out because they won't take care of them.

For most of my life I felt about dogs as you do; and still do to a degree. I'm just more in tune with dogs at this stage of my life vs my earlier years and understand the owner's shortcomings vs the animal's. Good luck on your dealings with all those folks.
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We started taking Ol' Roscoe with us on our weekend trips last fall out of necessity. Previously, he stayed home with my mother-in-law who lives with us. But she had a medical scare and now stays with a friend or relative when we head for the lake.

My biggest worry the first time we took him was that he would be barking at everybody that walked by, wanting to take off after every squirrel he saw and raising cane every time a critter wandered in or around our campsite in the middle of the night. But to our surprise, he's very good.

When there are other campers around, I keep him on a 20-foot leash and he's happy as a clam. Last fall and early this year, we had several trips where we were the only ones in the campground. Those times, I didn't tie him up. He might wander around -- never out of eyesight -- but spends most of the time lying on the camp carpet sleeping or just watching the world go by. Mary thinks he likes camping more than we do. She might be right.
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^^Danny you can bet I'll file charges. The best thing that happened to the bully dogs was about the 4th time I called the police, the chief showed up and about knocked their front door down. It got a lot quieter over there after that. Soon after they found both dogs dead, and I think they got rid of another one. I assume they got snake bit, the owners were oblivious, and the dogs didn't get any medical treatment.
My other neighbor works in oil services and is out of town a lot. I don't blame his wife for wanting a dog, but I think they over did it.
We have had dogs and I don't have anything against them. My son has 2 dogs that stay kenneled if he is not home. Both are fairly well trained. Sometimes with a steel toed boot, but they mind and there is no question that they are not the alpha dog in that pack.
My Dad was a coon dog field trial judge and we always had hunting dogs. But they did what he wanted or they weren't around very long.
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Don't take the dog into stores. 20 yrs ago were in Boston doing the freedom trail with the kids and our miniature poodle at the time. It was after lunch (maybe 1:30) and see a deli down a side street. Take the kids inside to sit at the counter to get sandwiches. We were the only people inside. Wife and dog were waiting outside. Owner sees the dog, cuts up some meat and takes it outside with water for the dog. Next thing I know Coley is sitting with us at the counter. Owner brought him (and the wife) inside. Luckily there wasn't anyone else there including the health inspector.
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We camped at a nearby state park last month. They have 2 off leash areas away from the camp sites. We walk the dog on leash to the nearest one, than off leash and play get the ball. Dog is a 100 lb 100% labrador. About half of the campers with dogs had them off leash at the sites both little and big dogs. Most ran over to us, lucky no fights. When our dog is outside the RV he is on a leash always. Last year at same park a bulldog with window open drove by while we were walking. That dog jumped out the open window maybe to fight but he was really disoriented after hitting the road and rolling and nearly run over by his owner.
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It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

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It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.
Personally, I'm with ya! And if my dog/puppy, for now is not disturbing or bothering anyone else, then I really don't care whether or not they approve of him being with us. And if it's bothering that person just because they don't approve of a dog being in an approved place......then I REALLY don't care. Get over it and move on with your life. Life's too short to get your undergarments twisted over something so inconsequential.
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I get it that people want to take their pets with them anywhere they can. And I'm betting that not one of the people who've posted here, that take the care to restrain their dogs or don't take them where they should be, would have a problem if someone else said they weren't happy to have the dog around. These people are the responsible owners.
Unfortunately, there is a significant number of irresponsible owners who make life unpleasant for those who don't want the dogs near them AND the responsible dog owners. Again, it's a case of everyone suffers because of a few bad apples.
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It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.
Freeheel, you had me until I saw the picture. Here we were, everyone behaving in a mannerly fashion, all getting along within reason and then we find out that you don't let your best girl drive the forklift.....just because she doesn't have thumbs?
Here we were thinking you were a good owner....
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